Dick Oh my God, 10:47, are you going to kill us? Krister

----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Vizins" dick.vizins@glocalnet.net To: hpvs@lists.lysator.liu.se Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 8:04 PM Subject: [hpvs] Re: [hpvs] Vätternrundan

I'm in reasonably good shape from riding upright bikes, even if I don't do very long rides often (I don't have the time). The recumbent lacking some parts in my garage is my second one. I rode my Dalli for three seasons before i got the ZOX that I haven't tried yet. And I expect to get enough recumbent time before VR. I have 10:47 to beat...

/Dick

----- Original Message ----- From: "Markku Pöysti" ukram@puosu.dna.fi To: hpvs@lists.lysator.liu.se Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 9:26 PM Subject: [hpvs] Vätternrundan

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About training:

I do about 10-30 km/day year round, so i should be in good enough condition already. I'll try to do a few 100-150 km trips to make sure everything is ok. Longer trips might not be a good idea, because they might cause damage. I'll try to take it easy during last weeks before VR, to make sure my knees are in as good shape as possible.

Dick:

Starting recumbent training so late sounds like you might get some kind of pain at least during VR. But if you are a fast upright bike rider already, maybe it will be easier to adapt. In the first few months with a recumbent my feet felt weak, because somehow the required muscle balance is different in a recumbent.

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Good luck Dick, its nice to listen to your ambitions to start with 30-35 km/h in order to increase, I suppose, later on. However, remember that there are speed limits on all public roads in Sweden. Rounding Vättern is a pleasure and all pleasures enhance if consumed leisurely. So, I'll start in a recumbent laid-back way in order to, if neccessary, slow down later on.

Krister

----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Vizins" dick.vizins@glocalnet.net To: hpvs@lists.lysator.liu.se Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 8:35 PM Subject: [hpvs] Re: [hpvs] Re: [hpvs] Re: [hpvs] Vätternrundan

I won't kill you. Possibly you will kill yourselfs. Seriously I don't expect to match my upright time from 1997. Not because the recumbent is slower or because I'm less trained (which I propably is) but because starting last of all is a great handicap. We will only catch riders slower than ourselfs and they are of no help. Our only chance of getting a fast and comfortable ride is to skip the first (two?) stops and hope to pass some fast riders who took long breaks. Riding on your own the whole way would be a major pain (even if it's not in the butt). Finding nice paced groups is the key to happiness during VR (in my limited experience). Hopefully the HPV group can stick together at a nice pace of say 30-35 km/h in the beginning, that would help us a lot during the rest of the race. 30-35 km/h may sound fast, but isn't really if we ride as a pace line. Slower riders can do short pulls at the front, faster riders long pulls. Since I haven't ried my new bike yet I have no idea how comfortable or fast I will be.

/Dick

----- Original Message ----- From: "Krister Spolander" krister.spolander@chello.se To: hpvs@lists.lysator.liu.se Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:26 PM Subject: [hpvs] Re: [hpvs] Re: [hpvs] Vätternrundan

Dick Oh my God, 10:47, are you going to kill us? Krister

----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Vizins" dick.vizins@glocalnet.net To: hpvs@lists.lysator.liu.se Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 8:04 PM Subject: [hpvs] Re: [hpvs] Vätternrundan

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I'm in reasonably good shape from riding upright bikes, even if I don't do very long rides often (I don't have the time). The recumbent lacking some parts in my garage is my second one. I rode my Dalli for three seasons before i got the ZOX that I haven't tried yet. And I expect to get enough recumbent time before VR. I have 10:47 to beat...

/Dick

----- Original Message ----- From: "Markku Pöysti" ukram@puosu.dna.fi To: hpvs@lists.lysator.liu.se Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 9:26 PM Subject: [hpvs] Vätternrundan

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About training:

I do about 10-30 km/day year round, so i should be in good enough condition already. I'll try to do a few 100-150 km trips to make sure everything is ok. Longer trips might not be a good idea, because they might cause damage. I'll try to take it easy during last weeks before VR, to make sure my knees are in as good shape as possible.

Dick:

Starting recumbent training so late sounds like you might get some kind of pain at least during VR. But if you are a fast upright bike rider already, maybe it will be easier to adapt. In the first few months with a recumbent my feet felt weak, because somehow the required muscle balance is different in a recumbent.

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I think Krister was joking about the speed limits. Of course there are none except those that are for cars and I need a very steep hill to violate any of them!

As for speeds:

1. When going on the upright bike I never went faster than 26 km/h comfortably on my own when training, but I averaged 31 km/h on the bike during VR 1997. What I'm trying to say is that groups are everything. You can ride for hours at 35 km/h in the middle of a large group hardly without working at all - seriously! Remember that wind resistance is about 90% of all resistance at that speed. This is true for upright bikes, for recumbents I honestly don't know. I remember how sorry I felt for all the (often older) people struggling alone at 20 km/h when we whizzed past at 35 km/h without working hard at all.

2. 30-35 km/h isn't very fast if we ride together, if we don't it's quite fast, I agree.

3. I'm not sure at all that I will manage this kind of speed or get a good time, it's just my ambition. If I feel that it won't work I will move to plan B = relax, enjoy, survive.

/Dick (over ambitious?)

----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcel van Eijk" marcel.vaneijk@swipnet.se To: hpvs@lists.lysator.liu.se Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [hpvs] Vätternrundan

Op 2002/04/10 om 9:23 PM +0200, tikte Krister Spolander glashard:

Good luck Dick, its nice to listen to your ambitions to start with 30-35 km/h in order to increase, I suppose, later on. However, remember that there are speed limits on all public roads in Sweden. Rounding Vättern is a pleasure and all pleasures enhance if consumed leisurely. So, I'll start in a recumbent laid-back way in order to, if neccessary, slow down later on.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know there are no speed-limits for cyclists in Sweden as long as you do not endanger other traffic. There is no obligation to have a speedometer attached to your bike.

Mars

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I'm going to try out my Wavey in racing mode this week, with new steering

bar, racing tires and all excess weight gone. Can anyone recommend a good set of lock-pedals and shoes?

Jag har provat Shimano M515 ( 400 kr) och M535/6 (600 kr)och tycker att 535 är stabilare. Jag kör med lös "platta" för att kunna köra med vanliga skor på ena sidan. Men frågan är om inte en Kombi pedal med "popup" är ett bättre val? ( M424 ,M545) I MTB-kretsar är det en del som lovordar TIME:s ATAC pedaler som har en anorlunda ( enklare,bättre ) infästning, dock lite dyrare , den billigaste ligger runt 700 kr. Skor har jag inte så mycket erfarenhet av har ett par shimano MTB M151 som jag tycker funkar bra men Dick m.fl har säkert nåt att säga om detta.

Får vi se racer Weavyn på Hallandsloppet oxå ??

Anderz

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Hi all!

onsdagen den 10 april 2002 kl 22.35 skrev Richard Vizins:

I think Krister was joking about the speed limits. Of course there are none except those that are for cars and I need a very steep hill to violate any of them!

Call me a fun-killer, but as far as I know, cyclists have to respect all speed limits. I have even read about a poor girl who had to pay a fine for breaking a 50 Km/h speed limit in a long downslope.

As for speeds:

1. (...)

2. I'm not sure at all that I will manage this kind of speed or get a good

time, it's just my ambition. If I feel that it won't work I will move to plan B = relax, enjoy, survive.

Dick, I'm on as long as it's downhill! (;-{) That would be to... Jönköping? I'm going to try out my Wavey in racing mode this week, with new steering bar, racing tires and all excess weight gone. Can anyone recommend a good set of lock-pedals and shoes?

Seriously, I'll prolly end up trying to catch up with Krister...

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Finns ju styren i Kolfiber....stygga katt 99 gr säkert billigt det är ju i plast!! :-)( inte då tror det kostar 700 kr )

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Hej igen!

torsdagen den 11 april 2002 kl 08.52 skrev Anderz Näslund:

Jag har provat Shimano M515 ( 400 kr) och M535/6 (600 kr)och tycker att 535 är stabilare. Jag kör med lös "platta" för att kunna köra med vanliga skor på ena sidan. Men frågan är om inte en Kombi pedal med "popup" är ett bättre val? ( M424 ,M545) I MTB-kretsar är det en del som lovordar TIME:s ATAC pedaler som har en anorlunda ( enklare,bättre ) infästning, dock lite dyrare , den billigaste ligger runt 700 kr. Skor har jag inte så mycket erfarenhet av har ett par shimano MTB M151 som jag tycker funkar bra men Dick m.fl har säkert nåt att säga om detta.

Tack för synpunkterna så länge! Jag skall kolla vad som finns på närmaste värstingaffären (Cycle City).

Får vi se racer Weavyn på Hallandsloppet oxå ??

Jo. Problemet är styret. Jag vill ha tag på ett ultralätt styre i en av de nya aluminiumlegeringarna, men det måste vara smalare än normalt. De flesta styrena smalnar av lite för utdraget från infästningen. Då finns det för lite utrymme för att korta av dem och fortfarande få plats med reglage, backspegel, ringklocka och lampfäste. Allt detta behövs för motionsloppen som Vätternrundan och Hallandsloppet i alla fall. Antingen får jag hitta ett bättre styre, eller flytta på saker. Waveyn har ju ett lampfäste under vevhuset, men det är bara ett gängat hål för M5. Lite svårt att anpassa till snabbfästen utan att det blir tyngre. Vi får se... Styrstången borde också gå att få tag på lättare, men sedan har vi knäleden som styrstången sitter i. Den verkar vara gjord av massivt, fasansfullt bonnjärn.

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02-04-11 19.38, skrev Marcel van Eijk på marcel.vaneijk@swipnet.se följande:

I'm actually quite certain that the speed limits only apply to motorized vehicles; there are some other regulations for mopeds. Cyclists have no obligation to have a speedometer mounted, and are therfore not able to verify their speed. I have to lookup the law texts.

As far as I know, motorbikes are not obliged to have a speedometer, but in case of lacking one they must have a tachometer instead. In such case they can only make an estimation of the acutal speed, unless they have timed some distances.

But the "lawwriter" was probably not aware of that speedy bikes and bikers (i.e. HPV bikes, not motorbikes) and as they are not mentioned specifically in the regulation, they have to obey to the "standard" rules. So I think that this is a "white spot" on the map. If the poor girl had refused to pay the fine the policeman gave her, stating any reason, they would have gone to court, and perhaps, maybe, the court would have said "guilty", as hpv-bikes have no special "speed rules"...

I think...

But still, the roads where you can reach these speeds are probably (mostly) either of the kind that allows that high speed (e.g. paved motorways in the country). But if you "fly" at say 60-70 km/h down a city street, then you are stupid. (Just think of what might run out on the street...)

So if the police gets you, that was perhaps a good thing - for the rest of us. After all, we are decent people, aren't we?

Gosh, what started as a joke - ends up in a long debate, I think I've said my words now...

Hi all!

This is really a big problem. ;-)

But how often does a "normal" (upwrong) biker exceed 30 km/h.

That limit is almost only used outside schools, "walk-streets" and such.

50 km/h is normal limit in cities, poor girl, but going down Eklandagatan in Göteborg for example at over 50 km/h on a bike is pure stupidity. No car driver or pedestrian would ever guess that you is coming that fast.

And above 70 km/h on downhills... must be on the countryside...

I you check the Swedish traffic law, you'll find that most rules cover vehicles in general, and that there are specific rules for some categories of vehicles.

And bikes (unregarding number of wheels) are considered to be vehicles in Sweden.

Without having specifically checked, I'll assume that bikes, too, are covered by speed limits.

That seems to make sense...

Hi all

02-04-11 07.52, skrev alfonso orion x allende på morpheo@allende.nu följande:

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And above 70 km/h on downhills... must be on the countryside...

I've been above 70km/h downhill.. in Häckeberga (Romeleåsen).. one of the trails frequently used by mtb:ers has a hill that never stops (it's more like a wall).. I've been up to 55+ km/h _without_pedalling_ (measured by a bicycle-computer) and I always give it all I've got on that descent..

(It's not a paved road either, just a stony path/road - and yes.. countryside (o: )

I reckon the police is not there, on the stony path. Probably they caught the poor girl on a downhill where the cars usually go to fast too.

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Without having specifically checked, I'll assume that bikes, too, are covered by speed limits.

they are, and if you exceed it too much you might be endangering your drivers license (or atleast so I've gathered).

Then you have to go (at least) more than 30 km/h over the limit... except where the limit is 30 km/h - there driving 50 km/h with a car will have your license revoked.

But as I (not) said earlier, this is a _big_ problem... the places where you can reach these speeds, either is the police not interested or it is a place where the limit is high enough, or the situation allows it. Except for the poor girl.