Hej Frederik, Good to have you aboard. I haven't got the time for a lengthy answer just now. I can say that we agree on most things regarding pedalling and cranks, but not all. My main objection is that there is (as far as I know) very little evidence that even the most skilled proffesional cyclists use more than a small part of the down-stroke to produce power. It was this knowledge (from experiments) that initiated Shimanos ill-fated BioPace project. BikeDrive for instance is just another try at the same thing but with a different approach. Powercranks are very different visually, but really also adress the same problem. By preventing the cyclist from lifting his up-stroke foot with his down-stroke foot it prevents forces in the wrong direction, thus smoothing the power over the pedal cycle. BikeDrive does the same thing but by storing energy. Powercranks develops new muscles, Bikedrive doesn't require a lot of training and adaptation - which is best? Do any of them make a difference? You tell me! They are all heavy too...
Cheers
Dick
----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederik Van De Walle" frederixie@hotmail.com To: hpvs@lists.lysator.liu.se Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 6:55 PM Subject: [hpvs] Re: Vevarmar -->pedalling technique
Hej hej,
My name is Frederik and I have been trying to read along with your Swedish mailing list, sometimes very interesting. BTW, I'm from Belgium and I
study
at KTH in Stockholm in an international program in English, jätte trevligt :-)
Anyway, I have an 'opinion' on all the Bikedrive, Biopace stuff and even short and long cranks for that matter. I think, if these alternative
systems
have any gain, it is from making better use of the pedalling technique the cyclist uses. With this I mean that, if there is a gain with these
systems,
it is not because they are 'wonder' system of mechanics by themselves, but of adaptation to the individual biomechanics (=the pedalling style/technique).
To remind: P = F x V or P = F x L x C with P = power F = force on pedal in circular direction V = speed of the pedal L = Length of the crank C = cadence
I think a effective pedalling style on traditional cranks can be
quantified
as followed: A The force on the pedal is always in the direction the pedal moves B Good use is made of the circular momentum of the spin to smoothen out
peak
forces and to overcome the upper and bottom dead points C The cadence is so that you can apply all your force without discomfort
and
as such that you can still keep good technique from A and B.
If this pedalling technique of a certain rider is not good, we are offered two options:
- Change the geometry of the movement
- Improve your pedalling technique/ style
Now take Biopace and Eggrings etc. this is a classical case I would say of adapting the geometry to the cyclist. From a pure mechanical point of
view,
there is no reason to believe that one or the other is better if your
style
is good. But, if it feels better and more fluent, than it is probably
better
(usually if you like to excercise a lot of force in the downward stroke). So this could improve point B for some people.
Length of cranks. Basically, if you shorten the cranks (L), you have to increase your cadence C to keep the same power P. And the other way
around.
So you can use this to change cadence. Since most recumbent cyclist find
it
difficult to keep a high enough cadence, shorter cranks could be a
solution
for a better pedalling technique with more 'momentum'. So you can use this to influence point C for a better pedalling technique.
Bikedrive is a difficult proposal to say something about. In a way it is similar to eggrings or biopace, with the difference that when you load the spring with a certain force F, it coincides with a higher momental speed V and when the spring unloads, it coincides with a reduction in speed. Basically this effect seems comparable to riding a bike with not enough stiffness in the chain line of the frame, but with less actual losses as a frame would have. I personally find this effect very unpleasant... but I
can
imagine it could work for some people. Some ;-)
Powercrank is very interesting, because it addresses a major flaw in the pedalling technique of most cyclist: in the backstroke the leg gets lifted by the opposite pedal, effectively having force in the wrong direction. I think everyone should at least try a powercrank-equipped bike. So this can improve point A for a better technique.
I think my point is, the importance of an effective pedalling technique
and
possible improvement of it seems to me not often mentioned in general. The way you pedal seems to be accepted as a fixed fact. Pedalling is more complex than just 'pushing down'. Also, our leg is sometimes too easily compared with a piston(engine), forgetting we can also exert considerable power in the other stages of the pedal stroke.
Some literature I once read, said that the force we think are using to
pedal
is not necessarily in the instantaneous direction of movement of the
pedal,
although we think it is. Together with the backstroke this is what I
suspect
could be the main cause for lost efficiency of the pedal movement. Ideal to improve your technique would be to be able to measure the actual forces on the pedal real time and so adjust your technique. But more realistic, I would recommend the following tips that, I think, could possibly be way more effective than the costly 'wonder' solutions
like
Bikedrive can give: 1 Get used to SPD or any other fixed but quick releasing link!! And use them. Without it, you HAVE to push in the wrong direction of the
backstroke
to keep your foot on the pedal. This IS BAD for efficiency!! Avoiding this can be practised then by pedalling with one foot. 2 Experiment now and then with different cadence.
- Very low cadence so you can focus on pushing in the right circular
direction, also pulling/pushing your leg up and down on a recumbent.
- Very high cadence to get used to making a very fluent movement, not just
in circles but also with constant pedal speed (no peak forces of bouncing
in
the saddle) 3 Our mind and 'feeling' has some delay. So instead of thinking of pushing your foot forward when you are already doing it, think of pushing when you foot is going up. Similarly, think of pulling down in the top position, pulling back in the forward position, pushing up in the lowest position of the pedal. You could say a 90 degree advance thinking is needed. This
cannot
be solved with any 'crank trick', so if you get this right, your power can go up seriously without using more effort.
Of course this is only my experience. I usually think of pedalling
technique
when I have a little down in average speed. And usually just thinking
about
it raises my speed with 2-3 km/h :-)
Anyway, I hope this was of some help, Frederik
P.S: I will soon regain recumbent mobility, so if anyone in the neighbourhood would like to go for a spin. I live in Upplands Väsby, near Stockholm. You can call me on 070 469 7210
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