--- Den mån 2008-10-06 skrev Joakim @ BBB <joakim.barkstrom(a)bredband.net>:
> Jag googlade lite och hittade en länk till en som har
> startat en liten
> databas för led-lights.
> Vet inte om det hjälper men det kan vara intressant som
> jämförelse.
> USA-baserat naturligtvis men allt går ju att beställa
> över nätet.
> Ljusstyrkan på varje enhet är givetvis med liksom priset
> i $.
>
> http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=176131…
[View More]Intressant sida! Jag har just beställt en SCOLO med Li-ion-batteri. Tänker uppgradera lyset och blyacken i Mangon!
/Bruno
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Låna pengar utan säkerhet. Jämför vilkor online hos Kelkoo.
http://www.kelkoo.se/c-100390123-lan-utan-sakerhet.html?partnerId=96915014
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pedals are both pulled and pushed. It is just a lot easier to climb a hill
that way.
I can also say that that my feet tends to last longer if I try not to press
on the pedals all the time. By lifting the feet att the return stroke, I can
avoid the aching feet I will otherwise have after some time pedalling. This,
btw, seems to be a recumbent problem. For mechanical reasons I assume the
force pressing the foot to the pedal is actually higher on a recumbent (with
a near horizontal leg) than on …
[View More]an upright (I will do some calculations some
day).
My method to get a smooth round pedalling is to imagine my feet following
the pedals, instead of pushing them. Try that, it gives a remarkable
relaxed, flying feeling (on my Trice recumbent, at least)! The trouble is to
keep this up for a prolonged time, some muscles seems to need training...
Sverker
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- My first impression of the Powercranks was a bit flawed. Their main
principle is preventing "resting" (pushing if you like) on the pedal in the
up-stroke. Learning to use muscles to lift the foot will increase effective
power (theoretically). If the power contribution in the up-stroke remains
small (but not negative) it will do nothing to smooth the power curve. This
might work, but I'm sceptical. By the way: will this work at all on a
recumbent? For me they are worthless anyway since I only …
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- My own reasoning around the possible benefits of Bikedrive has made my so
curious that I just might have to try it. I have my power reading Tacx to
check with. Too bad about the extra 400g's. Maybe I can give first hand
reports this spring ;).
Loooong message. Sorry about that ;)
/Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frederik Van De Walle" <frederixie(a)hotmail.com>
To: <hpvs(a)lists.lysator.liu.se>
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 5:18 PM
Subject: [hpvs] Re: Vevarmar -->pedalling technique
>
> Richard Vizins wrote:
>
> >My main objection is that there is (as far as I know) very little
evidence
> >that even the most skilled proffesional cyclists use more than a small
part
> >of the down-stroke to produce power.
>
> I disagree :-) I am pretty much convinced that if that was really the
case,
> it would be a very bouncy ride!* ;-) Also I know of a clear example where
> two brothers were doing the final sprint for a race (on lowracers) The one
> that had the better technique won very easily from his brother, although
> they had been racing together the whole race. The catch is, he won using
ONE
> leg!! And the next year, when the other brother improved his technique, he
> couldn't even beat him anymore using both.... (I'm sure there are some
other
> factors in play here, but still...)
>
> >It was this knowledge(from experiments) that initiated Shimanos ill-fated
> >BioPace project.
> >BikeDrive for instance is just another try at the same thing but with a
> different approach. Powercranks are very different visually, but really
> >also adress the same problem. By preventing the cyclist from lifting
> >his up-stroke foot with his down-stroke foot it prevents forces in the
> >wrong direction, thus smoothing the power over the pedal cycle.
> >BikeDrive does the same thing but by storing energy.
>
> I agree and I disagree. The explenation of powercranks is right, but I
think
> Bikedrive and Powercranks are completely different issues. Bikedrive in no
> way punishes wrong pedalling technique as powercranks do! Maybe even to
the
> contrary....
>
> >Powercranks develops new muscles,
> I think that you can actually learn to pull pretty hard on pedals too.
> During continuous riding, I can keep up the same power only pulling the
> pedals and relaxing during the push, for quite some time. Sprinting and
> climbing capacity improve a lot when I have clipless pedals so I can
really
> pull....
>
> >Bikedrive doesn't require a lot of training and adaptation - which is
best?
>
> Well, as I said before, I don't think very highly of bikedrive and I would
> like to try out a powercrank, but I wouldn't actually buy it. Yet. I would
> need to try it first, it's the law of stubborness ;-)
>
> >Do any of them make a difference?
>
> Even if there is scinetific 'proof', for me it does not guarantee it works
> for you, as I believe there is room for a lot of different pedalling
> techniques for different people. So I say, try it!!!
> If you buy it, you can always sell it... maybe to see how many people want
> to get rid of theirs is a better indication if it works ;-)
>
> Cheerio, frederik
>
>
> *a bouncy ride: a simple calculation:
>
> Let's say we assume 'one-hour record' power: 500W @ 110 rpm equals a
torque
> of (500 * 9,54 / 110)= 43Nm average. For one leg this means 21,5 Nm. If
only
> during one fourth of the pedal stroke there is effective torque
> (downstroke), then the torque should be 21,5 Nm x 4 = 86Nm. With a crank
> length of 0,17m this means an upwardds force of (86Nm/0,17m)=506N or for
> normal gravity 51,56 kg! So if the assumptions made here were true, the
> rider has to withstand blows of 50 kg, 220 times per minute!! To me it is
> clear no such forces exist, because in any aerodynamic position and
> certainly Boardman's 'superman' position, these forces would be
unbearable.
> Of course very simplistic calc, but there should be some truth in it.
>
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