Blakes7 May 2001

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Re: [B7L] Truth
by Jenny Kaye 18 May '01

18 May '01

"Neil Faulkner" wrote > > > >From: Jenny Kaye > > > > > There is a mindset on Lysator that states that all IMO's are valid. They > > > aren't and that kind of behaviour if translated to the outside world, is > > > going to cause some people on this lyst immense problems. It could even > >get > > > them killed. > > > >(a) Who says that such behaviour is translated to the world beyond Lysator, > >if Lysator functions as a social environment distinguished from others by > >the validity of all IMOs expressed within it? Lysator does not exist in a vacuum. > >(b) If it does cause some people problems, shouldn't that be their concern > >rather than yours? Free choice can only exist if the people are aware of the alternatives. You are aware of the alternatives, you have made your choice. Other people aren't so lucky. Give me a chance to give them a chance. They deserve that at least. Please. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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When "Animals" Camouflage...
by Ashton7＠aol.com 17 May '01

17 May '01

breaks down... http://members.aol.com/ashton7/animals.jpg Annie

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RE: [B7L] Re: A word of warning
by Jenny Kaye 17 May '01

17 May '01

"Rhonda L. Stroud" wrote: > > -----Original Message----- >ehalf Of Steve Rogerson > > > > Jenny has said to a number of posts: "When animal camouflage > > breaks down..." > > > > What exactly do you mean by this? > >Thanks for asking about this. I have been assiduously deleting every >thread >that Jenny's been involved with for a week now, but I saw Warning from >Ashton That's interesting. >and I thought I'd better check it out. That's even more interesting. >I didn't understand this at >all. > >As for encouraging people to willful and malicious mischief, I realize I'm >old, but didn't people use to get their Net access pulled for that kind of >BS? When animal camouflage breaks down. Freedom City? There's no such thing. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Space Fall
by Jenny Kaye 17 May '01

17 May '01

"Sally Manton" wrote > >Tavia wrote: > ><It's also interesting that Jenna is sent over to the Liberator (and a high > >assumed probability of death) with the two men without any comment either > >from Leylan or, for that matter, from Blake.> > > > >I've always assumed that the three of them were now under sentence of death > >anyway, as the ringleaders: They would have been under normal circumstances. In my Leylan/Raiker analysis I show that they are kept alive because they have become pawns in a power game between Leylan and Raiker. Let's take a look at that whole scene. JENNA: How do you feel? Jenna quite clearly cares for Blake. BLAKE: Sick. Blake feels sick for two reasons. 1/ The revolt failed 2/ Although Avon, Jenna and Blake are still alive he has some doubt about Leylan. The doubt came in when he was restrained by the guards and Raiker punched him in the stomach. Just before the punch was delivered Blake looked Leylan in the face, and he saw something. AVON: So you should. What a fiasco. You could take over the ship, you said, if I did my bit. Well, I did my bit, and what happened? Your troops bumble around looking for someone to surrender to, and when they've succeeded, you follow suit. Basically that's a very accurate description of what has happened. JENNA: What do you think they'll do to us? BLAKE: Something unfriendly. Blake is very worried. He doesn't know what's going on. JENNA: For a while, I really thought we'd made it. BLAKE: [Sighs] It was my fault. It was his fault. It was bad leadership, but the fact that he recognised the fact is encouraging. Some people are unable to admit when they are wrong. It's a rare gift to do otherwise, and Blake possesses it. AVON: We know. That's Avon twisting the knife a bit. BLAKE: I'll try and do better next time. Blake sees this as petty point scoring. It is but there's a reason for it... AVON: We had one chance. You wasted it. There won't be a next time. Avon is right. Only fate saves them from execution. JENNA: In which case, you can die content. Jenna is angry here. She is attracted to Blake and Avon is attacking him. Worst of all, she knows that what Avon is saying is true. AVON: [Almost laughs] Content. Again the transcript got it wrong. It should read, "Content?" JENNA: Knowing you were right. A very clever and insightful answer that. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Orac
by Jenny Kaye 17 May '01

17 May '01

Julia Jones wrote: > > >If Orac had been given the choice in the so-named episode would it have > > >preferred to go with Servalan or with Blake? Orac shows enough > >understanding (as > > >distinct from awareness) to make a reasoned choice. > > > > > >(The choice might be between doing 'nothing but Federation work' or > >'exploring > > >the galaxy.) > > > >As it turned out, the choice was between the person who murdered Ensor > >Jr and then Ensor Sr, and the people who tried to save both men. Orac's > >protestations of non-emotion always struck me as being about as > >plausible as Avon's. If Servalan ever does get her hands on the > >fishtank, she'd better be damned careful. She's right. That is a very insightful answer. Funny that. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] A word of warning
by Jenny Kaye 17 May '01

17 May '01

Pherber(a)aol.com wrote: >How depressing. It's malicious, puerile, unprincipled cretins like this >that >sometimes cause me to agree with Avon's low opinion of the human race... I agree. >My sympathies, Annie. When animal camouflage breaks down. Interesting that you're on aol. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: A word of warning
by Jenny Kaye 17 May '01

17 May '01

Steve Rogerson wrote: >Jenny has said to a number of posts: "When animal camouflage breaks >down..." >What exactly do you mean by this? Annie has said she has suffered various >methods >of on-line abuse because of her views. I know what she's saying. >A number of list members have spoken up >with messages of support I know. (and I add my support here, because Annie you do a lot >for fandom and you don't deserve this) When animal camouflage breaks down. , and your response has been this inane >camouflage message. >Are you in favour of these attacks? If so why? He who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken. >Are you responsible totally or partially for these attacks? No. >Have you participated in these attacks? No. >Have you the guts to answer these questions? Yes. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Orac
by Jenny Kaye 17 May '01

17 May '01

> >From: "Sally Manton" > >Dana wrote: > ><POV Avon, Orac is "just a machine"--in other words, doesn't even qualify > >for his slimline view of human rights--but shouldn't have Blake been > >worried > >about the freedom of the honest AI to think and speak?> > > > >Oh yes, but two points: > > > >Orac would most definitely come under Blake's heading of 'crew', and My > >Favourite Autocrat's general rule - "say whatever you like, then I'll get > >you to do what I want" applies. No one tells Orac what to do. Orac runs rings round the lot of them. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: A word of warning
by Steve Rogerson 17 May '01

17 May '01

Jenny has said to a number of posts: "When animal camouflage breaks down..." What exactly do you mean by this? Annie has said she has suffered various methods of on-line abuse because of her views. A number of list members have spoken up with messages of support (and I add my support here, because Annie you do a lot for fandom and you don't deserve this), and your response has been this inane camouflage message. Are you in favour of these attacks? If so why? Are you responsible totally or partially for these attacks? Have you participated in these attacks? Have you the guts to answer these questions? -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5 http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Re: [B7L] A word of warning
by Pherber＠aol.com 17 May '01

17 May '01

How depressing. It's malicious, puerile, unprincipled cretins like this that sometimes cause me to agree with Avon's low opinion of the human race... My sympathies, Annie. Nina

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