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Re: [B7L] Re: A word of warning
by Jenny Kaye 18 May '01

18 May '01

Steve Rogerson wrote: > >Jenny said in response to me: > > > > >>Have you the guts to answer these questions? > > > > > >Yes. > > > >The first question was: > > > > >Jenny has said to a number of posts: "When animal camouflage breaks > > >down..." > > >What exactly do you mean by this? > > > >which you never answered Sorry, I thought it was meant as a rhetorical question. The answer is: It means what it says. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] A word of warning
by Jenny Kaye 18 May '01

18 May '01

"Ellynne G." wrote:< > > > >Annie, an extra vote of sympathy from my corner. I remember a man who > >commented on the crimes committed 'when great malice and great cowardice > >meet.' Of course, he was a historian trying to explain less pleasant > >traditions - ways to poison an enemy's fields - largely forgotten in our > >own time. > > > >The sad thing is that people have come up with new nastiness - poisoning > >the web - to replace it. That's true. The sadder thing is that someone we know and > >care about is the victim. You hang in there, OK? > > > >Ellynne When animal camouflage breaks down. Well it had to be didn't it. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] When "Animals" Camouflage...
by Sally Manton 18 May '01

18 May '01

Ohh, I loved it! (My soft spot for Animals as a whole is gradually extending to include Og. This is a worry :-)) Thanks, many many thanks, this was wonderful. Sally _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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the B7 production process
by Alison Page 18 May '01

18 May '01

steve said - >> the production process involves change, however small I asked a friend to put this question to Chris Boucher (not in connection with the current stupid argument going on) and here is the summary of the answer 'he puts in basic action (e.g. character enters) but generally leaves the structuring of shots and the detail of movement on set / filming to the director. He might suggest some shots, e.g. the weird bit in 'Shadow' with Cally he specified in the script after learning in a conversation with the visual effects guy that it was possible to do it), but a substantial amount would be down to the director' Alison ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com **********************************************************************

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Re: [B7L] Re: A word of warning
by Tavia 18 May '01

18 May '01

Steve R asked: >Jenny has said to a number of posts: "When animal camouflage breaks >down..." ... What exactly do you mean by this? Actually I think that what Jenny is implying is reasonably clear: that there is a conspiracy on the Lyst in favour of certain interpretations of Blake's 7, and that anyone who supports Annie in this current trauma is a party to the conspiracy. Am I right, Jenny? Tavia

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Re: [B7L] Re: Limiters in general
by Steve Kilbane 18 May '01

18 May '01

> ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!! Something bothering you? > Steve Kilbane wrote: > > > > > > > >Sorry, no. Saying it does, doesn't work, either. See Popper. > > > > > > > > > > I have evidence, see my emails, or is that too much trouble for you > as > > > >well? > > I've read them. You're wrong. Um, you're replying to your own comment here (which I assume is a mistake). > Britannica.com: > > "Austrian-born British philosopher (b. July 28, 1902, Vienna, > Austria-Hungary--d. Sept. 17, > 1994, Croydon, Surrey, England), believed that knowledge--particularly > scientific > knowledge--evolves from individual experience and cannot be verified through > inductive > reasoning. Popper postulated that since no one can ever observe and verify > all possible > evidence to prove a scientific hypothesis correct, it is necessary only to > discover one > observed exception to the hypothesis to prove it false." > > Have you found an observed exception to my hypothesis, Steve? First off, you either haven't read all of the above, haven't understood it, or are ignoring it. So here it is again: "knowledge [...] cannot be verified through inductive reasoning." and: "no one can ever observe and verify all possible evidence to prove a scientific hypothesis correct" both of which mean you can't *know* you're correct, and it's your assertion that you both can and do, to which I object. I don't need to provide any counter evidence - the possibility that such might exist is enough to remove certainty. But since you're asking, yes: there is no direct evidence what manner the limiter's malfunction takes. You're claiming it's in the subtext, but that's just another wording for "an educated guess," and one which I've pointed out is a bad one. Since it's not explicit, it's not verifiable, which means that aspects of your conclusion that depend on your assertion about the limiter are not verified either. In summary: one of your "facts" is pure supposition, meaning your conclusion is arguable, and your method flawed. The same goes for your "one version of correct". Generally, you've said it was "the text", but refused to define "text" when asked to. Yesterday, you said: > If the director doesn't like how the actor does it, s/he will ask the actor > to redo the scene. The director tells the actor how to do it, and puts the > audience right. which conflicts with your frequent assertion that the writer is the one who's in control. Not to mention admitting that the production process involves change, however small (some does not equal none). So your "body of evidence", from which you draw everything else about your conclusion, is actually a morass of interpretation, in itself. Given that, stating that you're undeniably correct is just absurd. However, I don't expect you to agree to any of this. More likely, you'll do one of: - just say "you're wrong", without any supporting argument. - be sarcastic, without any counter argument. - go off on a tangent in the hope that I will forget that you haven't answered. - give a largely meaningless phrase (cf "animal camoflage"). - ignore the bits you can't disagree with. but that's okay. Whether you accept the point is not my problem. What I think is more important is that you've at least read *some* of the text you quoted about Popper and, at some level, learned something about constructing an argument. Whether you admit it or not, I hope that it'll help you in later life, and improve the quality of your hypotheses and debate. steve

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Re: A word of warning
by Steve Rogerson 18 May '01

18 May '01

Jenny said in response to me: >>Have you the guts to answer these questions? > >Yes. The first question was: >Jenny has said to a number of posts: "When animal camouflage breaks >down..." >What exactly do you mean by this? which you never answered -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5 http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Re: When "Animals" camouflage...
by Sarah Thompson 18 May '01

18 May '01

> breaks down... > > http://members.aol.com/ashton7/animals.jpg > > Annie LOL and ROFLMAO! This is great, Annie & Leah. Looks like an illo for one of Steve's stories...;) Sarah

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Re: [B7L] Re: crimes and punishment
by Tavia 18 May '01

18 May '01

Jenny wrote (of Iain): >A friend like you is a rare thing, and needs to be cherished. >I hope Steve realises this. Thanks Jenny, you've made my day. The image of Steve cherishing Iain is not one lightly forgotten... Tavia

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Re: [B7L] A word of warning
by Ellynne G. 18 May '01

18 May '01

Annie, an extra vote of sympathy from my corner. I remember a man who commented on the crimes committed 'when great malice and great cowardice meet.' Of course, he was a historian trying to explain less pleasant traditions - ways to poison an enemy's fields - largely forgotten in our own time. The sad thing is that people have come up with new nastiness - poisoning the web - to replace it. The sadder thing is that someone we know and care about is the victim. You hang in there, OK? Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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