Blakes7 May 2001

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Raiker and violence
by Leia Fee 23 May '01

23 May '01

Jacqui said... >>My impression is that there is a much higher 'background' of violence in the >>Federation, and so Raiker might seem less abnormal. (and perhaps he had at one >>point being serving on the prison transporters with the crimos and other violent types - >>those on the London 'seem to be' non-violent types - even with the questionable Gan) And who would care one way or another if he roughed up the prisoners anyway? Leia

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Quoting B7 at friends
by Leia Fee 23 May '01

23 May '01

Sally said... >>Well, do be fair. *He* ended up going too. True, eventually<grin> I'm just waiting for the next workmate to ask how my trashed foot is so I can use the 'Well it's alrightif you don't count the agony'<g> Leia

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Quotable B7
by Leia Fee 23 May '01

23 May '01

Actually I put rather a lot of B7 sounds clips on the website I do for the reenactment group I'm with. I put a section on the site of quotes fromvarious series that just transplanted sooo well into a reenactment context. I think the B7 ones outnumber the rest by a significant margin. Leia

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Trolls
by Leia Fee 23 May '01

23 May '01

Debbie said... >>Just out of interest, what exactly is a troll (in the flame sense?) I only >>know the sixties things with hair that recently made a comeback as things to >>go on the end of pencils but obviously there is another more specific >>meaning here. Oh gods the image of the stroppy element here with all that luminous waggly hair is going to have me in hysterics for hours! rofl Leia

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Orbit
by Leia Fee 23 May '01

23 May '01

Dana wrote... >>It would be a LOT harder to get Dayna out the airlock >>than Vila though. Yep. In fact it would have been harder to put *anyone* else out than Vila. Pretty much any of the others would have put up a fight rather than go and hide. Leia

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Re: Caligula
by Steve Rogerson 23 May '01

23 May '01

Stephen said: "If Caligula had been in charge of the Federation, he would probably have made Og a Senator." Caligula could even make some of my Og stories look tame. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5 http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Re: [B7L] "camouflage" and incomprehensibility
by Jenny Kaye 23 May '01

23 May '01

"Ann Basart" writes > >Someone said: > > > > > > and not a single snarky thing in it with incomprehensible > >things > >about camouflage. > >And someone else replied: > > > > Only incomprehensible to those who don't want to listen. > > > >Ah, *that's* why I haven't understood anything about the animals/camouflage > >reference. It was *really* because I "didn't want to listen," not because I > >hadn't (still haven't) a clue. I think the answer to that one is both. > >Hmm. Well, if there is anyone who'd care to explain what this recondite > >quote refers to, I (probably) would be grateful. There are people on this lyst who, for their own twisted reasons are promoting a version of B7 which is homophobic and sick. These people are called SLASHERS. They don't like publicity and they don't want to accept any other person's point of view. They are trying to say that a work of fiction is nothing more than a collection of words on a page or images on a screen and they can interpret them in anyway they want. That is total crap, and anywhere else they would be laughed off the planet, but here and on Freedom City that kind of thinking is considered normal. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: OT Response to Rita Part 1
by Jenny Kaye 23 May '01

23 May '01

SLAHER Rita d' Orac wrote: > >I have replied to this message offlist as our discussion is off topic. This discussion was not off topic, it was on topic, it was about SLASHERS and this is a SLASHER lyst. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] trolls
by Jenny Kaye 23 May '01

23 May '01

"Deborah Day" wrote: > >Just out of interest, what exactly is a troll? A troll is a hugely overweight American who, with her twisted sidekick, conducts Himmler style experiments on innocent cats. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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RE: [B7L] Freedom City (was Re: When "Animals" camouflage)
by Jenny Kaye 23 May '01

23 May '01

SLASHER Iain Coleman wrote: > > > > > > > > SLASHER Patricia Roberts wrote > > > > > > > >I will also reply to that, I'm not a "slasher" but do enjoy het > >erotica, > > > > >and love FC and the people on it. > > > > > > Then you are a SLASHER. > > > >Is it because of any hobbies you have that you say then I am a slasher? Look Iain, B7 was not about Avon rogering Blake up the arse. There is a sexual subtext in it for some characters, but it doesn't follow the kind of crap that the "Wortham/Rosenthal bastards" have been promoting. People my want to fantasise about individual characters and possible situations, but when that starts to actually encroach onto the series then we are in trouble. This fantasy is dangerous. And there are techniques being used on both these lysts that are trying to say that all interpretations are valid. That is patently not true. If I picked up a history book about Gladstone and said that "I interpret this book to be about a badger called Frank," anyone else would say that I was mad. That kind of thing is going on all the time here. If I wrote, "IMO Gladstone was a politician", then people would look at me and say, "He *was* a politician!" and they'd be right. The kind of "Wortham/Rosenthal bastard" mindgames I see promoted here are the same kind of shit that lead to the Salem witch hunts. The fact that SLASH came from America is not very surprising really, because they are prone to coming up with barmy ideas. Look at all those redneck religious groups. Look at that loony KKK leader who is trying to promote the friendly face of race hatred. It's mad. And the sad thing about it is there are people who will swallow all this bullshit. The worst thing for me is that B7, a series about revolution, fighting the establishment and fighting mindcontrol has been abused and perversely turned into an instrument of mind control. I know the word "mind control" sounds a bit bollocks, but it really exists. Dr Havant in TWB tries to use a form of it on Blake. Dr Havant tries to tell Blake that what he saw, the cold blooded murder of the rebels, was in fact just an illusion. That what he saw has no real meaning at all and in fact didn't happen the way he thought. Dr Havant was using his position as a Doctor and his position as part of the ruling establishment to bring pressure on Blake, to make Blake deny the evidence of his own eyes. This sort of thing happens all the time. People in police custody have confessed to crimes they did not commit, because of the mental pressure brought to bear on them by establishment figures. Wortham and Rosenthal were two high profile fans. Back in their day they used to brag that they could "make or break an actor". When they found power slipping away from them they tried to do just that. It failed. It broke them. They've never forgotten it, and through Lysator they have promoted their "take" on the show. This "take" has a name. It's called SLASH. A lot of people here like SLASH. Many think it is harmless. It is not. There are many case studies that show that pornography can have a distorting effect on people's perceptions. That is undeniable. SLASH to my mind is worse. Porn affects us because sex is a vital part of being a human being. Without sex we wouldn't be here. Porn is addictive because it stimulates the parts of the brain that deal with sexual feelings. If you then link porn with a favourite TV show then you have two feeders. The sex and a programme you love. Many people have been fans of B7 for many years. It is a part of you all. You can quote lines from it. You have all watched the episodes hundreds of times. You link that show with porn and you have got a strong conditioner. You say that all interpretations are valid and that B7 was in fact about porn. then you are starting to alter peoples perceptions on reality. The "Wortham/Rosenthal bastards" are a powerful presence on this lyst. We know that they are serial liars. Even Faulkner has admitted on lyst that they play "mindgames". Certainly the "Wortham/Rosenthal bastard" "take" on the show is very prevalent on this lyst, together with a number of other quite bizzaro ideas, such as not inviting too many B7 guests to conventions, and that these events should be about fans and that if an actor appears at a con then he will take over. This is psychotic fantasy. Dreamed up by two slightly mad individuals who twelve years ago fell out with a man who is now dead. And all these views stem from that. And are passed on. And are believed. A B7 convention will never get many attendees because if they don't have any good guests then you aren't going to get a lot of people. Most people are not interested in attending a convention that is only about fan things. Most people go to conventions because they want to see an actor. Most conventions run today will have guests and that is what you will be up against. If you can't keep up then you fall by the wayside. B7 has become a clique. B7 fandom has become insular. And if that goes on then in the end B7 fandom is going to die out. They say, "whom gods destroy, they first turn mad." SLASH is the first sign of this madness. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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