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Re: [B7L] Re: fanfics
by Steve Kilbane 05 Jan '02

05 Jan '02

Helen wrote: > So, tell me, why does a peerson write it out if they don't care if > anyone reads it? As a record of their imaginings? I'm seriously curious. One reason is exorcism. Don't know about you, but I find that, no matter how clearly I imagine something, when it comes to write it (rather than just writing it down), it's a transformation process that still requires some sweat on my part. It flushes out all the bits I hadn't actually considered, and demands clarification of the bits I had. And for some people, this process is one they have to go through before they've got a story "out of their system", and they can work on the one on which they *want* to be working. I like to think of writing as collapsing a probability wave: until it's written, it's potentially many stories; only by actually writing it can you find out which one. steve

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RE: Re: [B7L] Re: fanfics
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 05 Jan '02

05 Jan '02

"Nico Mody-Nikoloff" <nico(a)farsight.co.nz> wrote: >Helen Krummenacker wrote: > >> People really write stories just for themselves? >> >> I feel baffled-- writing is hard work, whereas picturing things in my >> head is easy, and can be done in endless variations. > >Totally agree! It's hard to write something that will make your readers see >the same pictures. You sound very visual, like me. I see my stories as a >film - action and dialogue - and I have to translate that to words. > >> I write only in order to be read. > >Me too. Otherwise I'd be content running my own private films in my head for >entertainment. > >Nico > So 'who' is one writing a diary for (ie not just the appointments book)? Jacqui -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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RE: RE: [B7L] Re: fanfics
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 05 Jan '02

05 Jan '02

"Louise Rutter" <louise.rutter(a)blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >Helen wrote: > >>People really write stories just for themselves? > >>I feel baffled-- writing is hard work, whereas picturing things in my >>head is easy, and can be done in endless variations. > >The problem I have with pictures in my head is that they play over and over >and won't go away. I'll have a scene or several that literally keep me awake >in the small hours of the morning, and the only way to stop them is to write >them down. After that, I think what the hell and fill in the missing scenes >to make it a story. > >While I definitely like basking in feedback at the end, I don't think I'd >ever start writing a story other than to avoid chronic insomnia. > >Louise Isn't that how 'The Hobbit' started - blank bit of exam paper Tolkien happened to be marking, & he wrote 'In a hole lived a hobbit' (or words to that effect)? How many other things have started in this way? (And some of my various stories have started to 'get the idea out of the way.) Jacqui -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Re: Fwd: Re: [B7L] Re: Names
by Ellynne G. 05 Jan '02

05 Jan '02

On Fri, 04 Jan 2002 20:32:40 +0000 "Sally M" <smanton(a)hotmail.com> writes: > Ellynne wrote: > "LADY BRACKNELL: Well, I must say, Avon, that I think it is high > time that > Mr. Blake made up his mind whether he was going to live or die. This > > shilly-shallying with the question is absurd." > > <gurgle> > > well, Avon did his best to make up Blake's mind for him (and > everyone else's > while they were at it) in that last five minutes ... I was tempted to include the bit were Algernon says he's killed Bunbury, but I thought I'd better not. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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Re: fanfics
by Mel Saxby 04 Jan '02

04 Jan '02

Jackie wrote: But one *does* have an audience: one's self. And while picturing things in one's head is indeed easy, it's also ephemeral and, unless scribbled down, forgotten. The advantage to writing, even if no one else ever sees it, is that you get to read your thought pictures as well as think them and this engages more of the brain. Writing makes the transient imaginings real, nails them down. Yes, writing is hard work, but it can also become a compulsion, an activity difficult to tear yourself away from. That's pretty much my own view. Though I love to entertain myself seeing or writing stories in my head as I go about my normal life, my chief hobby is writing fanfic and original stories for an imaginary audience which includes myself.. I've only recently re-embarked on writing B7 stories in any serious way, and though I enjoy them, I'm by no means sure my efforts come up to the standard of some of the fic I've read in zines and on-line. But I hope I'm improving. If you don't entertain yourself on some level, how can you hope to entertain others? Mel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.311 / Virus Database: 172 - Release Date: 12/27/01

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RE: Re: [B7L] Where to publish?
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 04 Jan '02

04 Jan '02

Jen McGee <jmcgee(a)asu.aasa.ac.jp> wrote: >This has been a fascinating discussion. To tack another thought on to it, as a >newbie to the fandom (and to fandom in general, at least as an active >participant): > >I'd love to see a fic of mine in a zine--seeing something actually on paper and >knowing it was considered (by someone, somewhere) as good enough to be put >together with other stories would be a thrill. > >How does one go about finding a zine? One of the B7 Writer's Resource pages >has a list of zines looking for stories, but at the moment the list consists, I >think, of one or two only. Is there a better list out there, or is the field >just that sparse right now? And what are the odds that a story I write would >fit a zine theme? > >Jen McGee > Going back to an earlier part of this discussion - about publishing on-line then in a magazine - what if you have a 'short' published on line & develop it into a more complex story - something like the relationship between AC Clarke's 'The Sentine;' & '2001'? Jacqui -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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RE: [B7L] Re: fanfics
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 04 Jan '02

04 Jan '02

Helen Krummenacker <avona(a)jps.net> wrote: >People really write stories just for themselves? > >I feel baffled-- writing is hard work, whereas picturing things in my >head is easy, and can be done in endless variations. >I write only in order to be read. The self-insertion fic in the Harry >Potter universe would actually be made much more difficult because I >have to write it for the other two people I'm inserting... if it was >just me, I'd change the name and no one would know, but this would >actually be a collaboration, making things much more complex, and then >there is the question of would anyone else want to read it. I really >don't want to bother committing to paper that which does not have an >audience. > >So, tell me, why does a peerson write it out if they don't care if >anyone reads it? As a record of their imaginings? I'm seriously curious. > And what would then distinguish it from a diary (of sorts)? Jacqui -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Fwd: Re: [B7L] Re: Names
by Sally M 04 Jan '02

04 Jan '02

Ellynne wrote: "LADY BRACKNELL: Well, I must say, Avon, that I think it is high time that Mr. Blake made up his mind whether he was going to live or die. This shilly-shallying with the question is absurd." <gurgle> well, Avon did his best to make up Blake's mind for him (and everyone else's while they were at it) in that last five minutes ... _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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Re: [B7L] Re: Names
by Ellynne G. 04 Jan '02

04 Jan '02

On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:28:45 -0500 "Dana Shilling" <dshilling(a)worldnet.att.net> writes: > Una said: > > >I once saw a shop called Gan Electrical, which is either in > Cambridge, or > > >possibly Worthing. > > LADY BRACKNELL: To lose one spaceship is a misfortune, > Mr. Avon. To lose both is sheer carelessness. > > -(Y) > Avon: The fact is, Lady Bracknell, I said I had lost my ships. It would be nearer the truth to say that my ships seemed to have lost me. (after all, he wasn't on them _when_ they crashed - but the questions this raises about Avon's brother . . . . Perhaps Avon is really a Bunburying name?) LADY BRACKNELL: Well, I must say, Avon, that I think it is high time that Mr. Blake made up his mind whether he was going to live or die. This shilly-shallying with the question is absurd. :-) Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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OT: The Lieutenant of Inishmore
by Harriet Monkhouse 04 Jan '02

04 Jan '02

I see that Martin McDonagh's The Lieutenant of Inishmore has now arrived at the Barbican theatre in London, and is on until February 23. This is a play about a psychotic Irish terrorist who is devoted to his cat. I saw it at Stratford in September, and heartily recommend it to anyone who can cope with extraordinary amounts of blood, and cruelty to animals, not all of them human. (The night I went, action was halted for a few minutes while someone was helped out of the auditorium, though theatre staff later claimed she just happened to be taken ill, and it was pure coincidence that it happened in the scene with the handsaws.) If you go, you may think it's the funniest thing you've ever seen; or you may just decide that I'm really, really, sick. Oh yes, and Trevor Cooper, one of my favourite actors (Devis in Star Cops, etc etc), is in it. He's the terrorist's Dad. -- Harriet Christy: "Is it happy cats or is it an Ireland free we're after?" Joey: "It's an Ireland free, Christy. Although I'd like a combination of the two." - Martin McDonagh, The Lieutenant of Inishmore

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