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Re: planets
by Betty Ragan 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

Nicola wrote: > Cygnus is a constellation I think, so maybe the > Alpha refers to the star the planet orbits. This is actually the system currently used in astronomy... Alpha refers to the brightest star in the constellation (as seen from Earth), beta to the second-brightest, etc. Cygnus Alpha is, IIRC, the star more commonly known as Deneb. Whether that's the sytem the Federation uses or not, who knows. > Perhaps they use Greek letters for the star within a constellation, > and number outwards from the sun. Something like this seemed to be a pretty common system on _Star Trek_. ("*This* is Ceti Alpha Five!") -- Betty Ragan ** bragan(a)nrao.edu ** http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~bragan Not speaking for my employers, officially or otherwise. "Seeing a rotten picture for the special effects is like eating a tough steak for the smothered onions..." -- Isaac Asimov

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RE: Re: [B7L] Re: planets
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

Jacqui wrote: > Slightly changing the subject- would Gauda Prime and Cygnus > Alpha have been the first planet settled in their respective systems? Possibly, but I'd imagine only one planet would be settled in each system as only one would have the right temperature for human life. Unless they were double planets (see below). Cygnus is a constellation I think, so maybe the Alpha refers to the star the planet orbits. There's also Del Ten (the resort planet) and Onus Two (the planet Dorian bought his food supplies from) so their nomenclature's a bit inconsistent. Perhaps they use Greek letters for the star within a constellation, and number outwards from the sun. Or there were lots of planets (and people) called Del, and at least one other Onus. And Gauda Prime could be the major planet of two that circle each other (like Terra and Luna, but the moon's huge). Or it could be a reference to the richness of their soil - it was a farming planet after all. :-) Nico *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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RE: Re: [B7L] Re: deltas
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

"Nico Mody-Nikoloff" <nico(a)farsight.co.nz> wrote: >Helen Krummenacker wrote: > >> I'm amazed at how often I see Delta everywhere. There are Delta Growers >> (fresh green beans etc) the Delta Queen paddle steamer on the Waikato >> river, >> Delta Transport etc. It seems a popular letter for some reason. You >> don't >> see mu, iota or epsilon used much. >> >> That would be because in several of these references, if not all of them >> they refer not to a letter but a geographical feature-- i.e. where a >> river spreads out forming a delta... which a paddle streamer would >> naturally travel through, agriculture is often found, etc. >> I do believe this is derived from the letter d delta, which was a >> triangular shape, because the river makes triangular shapes at its >> delta. But the Delta Queen was not named as the fourth in its series >> after the Alpha Queen etc. >> >> Or am I missing the fact that you were joking? > >Well, sort of, but the examples I gave were real. I realise that the Delta >Queen harks back to the Mississippi paddle-steamers as the Waikato doesn't >have a huge delta. This geographical feature doesn't explain the others like >Delta Software or my favourite, Delta Hypnotherapy. And there were 3 times >as many Alphas, but I guess that stands for number one. I didn't look up >Omegas. Hmm, just did - 19, 4 of them with Alpha in the name as well. Greek >letters seem to be popular all round. > >Nico Slightly changing the subject- would Gauda Prime and Cygnus Alpha have been the first planet settled in their respective systems? Would -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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RE: RE: [B7L] Speed freaks?
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

"Leia Fee" <leiafee(a)totalise.co.uk> wrote: >Andrew wrote. >>In Cygnus Alpha, Zen asks the new crew to state speed and course. Blake >>then looks to Jenna for advice, and Jenna hazards "Standard?". Blake >>says "Standard speed" to Zen, which Zen accepts. >>Now, if this means they travel at the Liberator's average/usual speed, >>how do they then do "standard by ten"? If the standard speed of my car >>is, lets say, 60kph, then at standard by ten I could be doing 600kph >>(more, if it's geometric)! >>On the other hand, perhaps 'standard' refers to some kind of constant, >>like the speed of light. > >Also what Jenna guessed standard might be is not necesarily what Zen >considers standard... > >Leia > They ask Zen what 'Standard' speed is later (g) - Zen understands the reply. Jacqui -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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re: deltas
by Leia Fee 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

Oddly enough, just as I was reading through these messages I put a CD on which was apparently produced by Delta Music. Leia

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Re: deltas
by Betty Ragan 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

In physics (and probably in other scientific fields, as well), a delta is used to indicate change. Thus "delta-v" stands for "change in velocity." I'm tempted to make some attempt to relate this fact to Vila's highly changeable personality, but I'll resist. There's also the delta particle, which is extremely short-lived and of highly indeterminate mass. Any fanicful connections to be drawn between this fact and "Orbit" are left as an exercise for the reader. :) -- Betty Ragan ** bragan(a)nrao.edu ** http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~bragan Not speaking for my employers, officially or otherwise. "Seeing a rotten picture for the special effects is like eating a tough steak for the smothered onions..." -- Isaac Asimov

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Re: Female Characters - Kasabi and Veron versus Servalan (and Piri).
by seven＠gaudaprime.com 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

David >>> Servalan was a cadet under Kasabi's tutelage during Veron's lifetime. Harriet >> I think not; it's a lot more difficult to escape with a baby than alone, or when slightly pregnant. David Here is a theory / hypothesis explaining why Veron was born on Earth you might like to consider. Servalan is impregnable (I am looking at this through a male's eyes) and possibly virginal (see post 9047). She can reproduce only by dealing to someone else's children, like the cuckoo bird. She did this in Children of Auron. Servalan is impregnable because she has no inner being. (And when they have done your work, and the machines have done your thinking, what is there left in you that feels? - Jarvik, Harvest.). As her fine clothes permit, everything about her is on the outside. She identifies herself with the outer world, which, in her case, is the Federation. The trap Travis lays in Pressure Point has nothing inside it, merely an empty room in a verboten area. It is a metaphor for the Supreme Commander of the Federation. Hence Servalan's closeness in the episode. As the Federation was attacked by the aliens in Aftermath, Servalan's own being was attacked. As the Federation shrunk, Servalan's being had to collapse in on itself. Her change from spotless white clothes to black in Series 3 - lavender in Powerplay and red in Gambit notwithstanding - is the pictorial representation of the implosion. I suppose the implosion stopped about the time she took over the Pylene Pacification Programme (before, say, P. Cancer). Jenna is similar in being mainly external: She goes for the fine, showy clothes, knows many people, and fills the cosmos with her being insofar as she ferries things from planet to planet. Whereas Servalan, when she seized the presidency, became the chief smuggler of Shadow, Jenna specifically avoided it, however. Servalan seems to have been modelled after two 20th cent. individuals: a male who in a certain respect could be thought of as having seized high office; and a female who rose from low beginnings and married into high office. They are the leader of the Soviets who ruled in the second quarter of the last century, and the Argentine First Lady, whose lifetime was roughly concurrent (died 1952, age 33). The predecessor of the former wrote a testament that denounced him, hence Kasabi's confidential assessment that listed Servalan as unfit for command. The latter felt herself as having two sides, called Eva and Evita, hence Servalan's occasional vulnerability punctuates her regular hardness. This duality comes to a head in Season 4 with Piri Cancer. She has two sides, too, which possibly is what draws Servalan to her. Kasabi, at the time we meet her, contrasts Servalan in that she is warm, earthly, and a plenum. She is nurturing the rebellion on an Earth that does not want the Federation. I hope my story won't make Kasabi too much of an Earth-Mother type (because it doesn't suit her earlier period) but at the very least Veron will have been either conceived on Earth, or born here, or both. It is part of the process that attracts her to Earth (regardless of domicile). And that is why Servalan was a cadet under Kasabi's tutelage during Veron's lifetime. Ellynne wrote (on difficult to escape with infant) > Not necessarily. Oh, sure, fleeing ahead of armed troops, it's not the way to go. But, if you're trying to look innocent while passing a particular check point or if you need the sympathy of a guard, the mother and child thing has been shown to work in the past. (snipped pre-hunt escape, sympathetic guard) David Thanks for the ideas; some of them are bound to appear later. And then there is Veron's father. He is there somewhere and may be involved in Kasabi's escape. What ages do you and Harriet think Kasabi and Servalan are? I guess Kasabi, like Plaxton, is late forties, early fifties, and Servalan is almost 34 (Diverting idea - Weapon). If Servalan was a cadet in Veron's lifetime, and I am saying she was, she was under Kasabi as a seventeen year old at the earliest (33-16=17). DC http://tezcatlipoca.algonet.se/cgi-bin/getbyid.pl?id=9047 http://www.evitaperon.org/

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Kasabi and escape
by Alison Page 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

It may not be *easier* to escape while pregnant, or while carrying a small child. But the new responsibility of becoming a mother, or an expectant mother, may be the catalyst for making a break. For this reason I think early pregnancy is a very likely time for a woman to run. Alison ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. Becta www.mimesweeper.com **********************************************************************

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Re: [B7L] Re: deltas
by Anna Carkeet 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

My sister volunteers at a place called the delta society. It's an organisation that visits sick kids in hospitals with dogs. Always reminds me of vila (because of the delta part) when she talks about it! >From: "Nico Mody-Nikoloff" <nico(a)farsight.co.nz> >To: <blakes7(a)lists.lysator.liu.se> >Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: deltas >Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 22:45:52 +1300 > >Helen Krummenacker wrote: > > > I'm amazed at how often I see Delta everywhere. There are Delta Growers > > (fresh green beans etc) the Delta Queen paddle steamer on the Waikato > > river, > > Delta Transport etc. It seems a popular letter for some reason. You > > don't > > see mu, iota or epsilon used much. > > > > That would be because in several of these references, if not all of them > > they refer not to a letter but a geographical feature-- i.e. where a > > river spreads out forming a delta... which a paddle streamer would > > naturally travel through, agriculture is often found, etc. > > I do believe this is derived from the letter d delta, which was a > > triangular shape, because the river makes triangular shapes at its > > delta. But the Delta Queen was not named as the fourth in its series > > after the Alpha Queen etc. > > > > Or am I missing the fact that you were joking? > >Well, sort of, but the examples I gave were real. I realise that the Delta >Queen harks back to the Mississippi paddle-steamers as the Waikato doesn't >have a huge delta. This geographical feature doesn't explain the others >like >Delta Software or my favourite, Delta Hypnotherapy. And there were 3 times >as many Alphas, but I guess that stands for number one. I didn't look up >Omegas. Hmm, just did - 19, 4 of them with Alpha in the name as well. Greek >letters seem to be popular all round. > >Nico > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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Re: deltas
by Helen Krummenacker 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

I'm amazed at how often I see Delta everywhere. There are Delta Growers (fresh green beans etc) the Delta Queen paddle steamer on the Waikato river, Delta Transport etc. It seems a popular letter for some reason. You don't see mu, iota or epsilon used much. That would be because in several of these references, if not all of them they refer not to a letter but a geographical feature-- i.e. where a river spreads out forming a delta... which a paddle streamer would naturally travel through, agriculture is often found, etc. I do believe this is derived from the letter d delta, which was a triangular shape, because the river makes triangular shapes at its delta. But the Delta Queen was not named as the fourth in its series after the Alpha Queen etc. Or am I missing the fact that you were joking?

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