Blakes7 July 2001

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Avon's smile
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 20 Jul '01

20 Jul '01

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Re: Cutting it Down to Size
by Sally Manton 20 Jul '01

20 Jul '01

Dana wrote: <We know you can cram about 50 people into the London.> Cram being the operative word - those sardine-tin conditions must've been hell on Avon (and Jenna, as the only woman on board), and probably nearly as hard on Blake. <Liberator is at least 10 times the size of the London. So even if three-quarters of the Liberator is taken up by non-livable space (engines, etc), I'd expect that Liberator would accommodate at least 125 people.> One possibility is that there were enormous hangar-like rooms for use as slave barracks, with the DSV being used to ferry slave workers around when needed. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Reminder...
by Mac4781＠aol.com 20 Jul '01

20 Jul '01

...for those who might be sitting at their computers. "The Poetry Disease" with Steven Pacey will be airing on BBC4 shortly--2:15 p.m. in the UK, 9:15 a.m. EST. You should be able to listen to it at http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/ You need Real Player software (free on the web). Carol Mc

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Re: [B7L] Re: Cutting it Down to Size
by Sally Manton 20 Jul '01

20 Jul '01

Iain wrote: <What? You don't think that at least one refugee wouldn't immediately betray Blake and collect a large bounty within minutes of reaching safety?> Yup. And wouldn't that have made a *good* episode? (With the priviso, of course, that they escape, battered and bloodied but still in one metaphorical piece, since we need him for that little dramatic explosion at the end of the season.) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: Cutting it Down to Size
by Sally Manton 20 Jul '01

20 Jul '01

Ellynne wrote: <One thing that does irritate me with Countdown is that no one considers evacuating part of the population to the Liberator. They could have reasonably gotten at least a few children on board.> This is a good question (I've thought before that in between Fighting for Freedom, the Librator could be and quite possibly was used to ferry refugees and dissidents around). I suppose the main problem *would* be whether they could get more than a few people on board and, if not, how to select the few and get them away without the rest of the population fighting them for a berth, and panic leading to a lot of violence. It's rather like trying to get the passengers of a *very very* large Titanic into very very tiny lifeboats ... Pre-supposing that we're talking about a fairly breif period of time, a few hours at most and probably only a couple, the difficulties include: 1. the numbers you could teleport would be restricted by the number of bracelets (what were there supposed to be, thirty?) and how many the system will take at a time (and that teleport bay is rather small). Even a single school (which is as many as you could hope to manage by teleport, and *how* do you pick just one school?) would mean several trips (with the time-consuming business of collecting bracelets and controlling rightened children sloing things down), and the chances of other schools and parents hearing about it - and that *their* children were not going to be offered the chance - are significant. Especially since it would be likely (and entirely understandable) that some of the 'local authorities' would want to save their own (and possibly themselves) first. 2. we don't know that the Albian people have much access to spacecraft of their own that could ferry larger numbers up to the Liberator. Yes, there is the cruise ship in Gold and the passenger ship in Star One, but - even if there were such things on Albian*, requisitioning one would again [a] take time and [b] ensure that people who were *not* going to saved would get to know about it :-( Could the authorities control the inevitable riots? The other alternative is whatever military craft are at the base - from the looks of it, that's next-to-none, and we don't know how far the base is from any population centre where the pick-ups could take place. 3. And with the children, of course, there's the problem of where the traumatised orphans would go, in the event the bomb goes off, in this very cold, hard universe. Hopefully there would be a world willing to take them ... in this galaxy, I wouldn't bet my life savings on it. So the practical alternatives seem to be [a] offer the people actually on the base with them a chance (they did, and were declined); or [b] offer to take a handful of people - a couple of classes of children from the thousands there, or a few families - and let the Albian rebels decide if they can/want to pick the lucky few (well, Our Heroes hardly could!) and organise the mini-rescue in the limited time available. Sally * and the fact that no one considers using them as 24-hour safety zones seems to indicate that they aren't there. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: FW: [B7L] Avon's smile
by Pherber＠aol.com 20 Jul '01

20 Jul '01

In a message dated 7/19/01 7:49:46 AM Mountain Daylight Time, Carolyn772(a)aol.com writes: > I'm having a Peter Cook/Dudley Moore/Bedazzled flashback.... Avon and Blake > as George Spiggot and Stanley Moon and the Order of Leaping Berelians. AAGHGHGHGH! Yes! That's exactly what came to me, too. <whimper> I may never recover... Nina

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Re: Re: [B7L] Re: Cutting it Down to Size
by Ellynne G. 20 Jul '01

20 Jul '01

On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:45:01 -0400 jacquispeel(a)netscape.net writes: > The main problem with this discussion is that 'they' never developed > a plot which would involve the Liberator becoming overcrowded. > One thing that does irritate me with Countdown is that no one considers evacuating part of the population to the Liberator. They could have reasonably gotten at least a few children on board. OTOH, given the practical fact that it would have been (if I remember correctly from previous discussions) sometime before the radiation reached the inhabited areas, it could be evidence that the Liberator didn't have that much space and they would have enough time if they failed to load it to capacity. Actually, this brings up other issues. From what we've seen, it wouldn't be unreasonalbe (in a standing room only scenario) to be able to fit several hundred people onboard (possibly several thousand). If we're talking about children first, I think they're best bet would have been to alert the local authorities and take all the children they could from schools (large numbers in an environment where they're used to lining up and being told what to do). From there, it all depends on how much air they have and how many they can really teleprot up at a time (and whether the kids would break the teleport bracelets). After that, seal off the critical areas of the ship (if there aren't any natural ways to do that, draft the rebels and tell them, suicide gestures are all well and good, but they need someone they can trust on guard) and wait 24 hours. We're talking minimal survival, here, so whether or not it actually leads to a plumbing nightmare is immaterial if you can keep anyone from actually dying or being killed in this time period (which means a rescuing a few teachers or other adults wouldn't be a bad idea). Actually, if life support wasn't putting too big a strain on power supplies, this would be a very good time to start heading to another system, preferably nonFederation controlled (if Lindor's only six hours away, for example, that would be a lot better than waiting the 24 and give them some place to put the kids after). Otherwise, they're options are trying to contact other, nonFederation ships (and hoping the Federation doesn't realize they're there) or setting the refugees back on the planet and hoping they can make the best of it (immediate survival looks pretty good, basic resources would be there. Long term, there are a lot of variables like the competency and age range of the children and adults, but it would really all come down to how the new people the Federation brings in respond to a large number of orphans who were all considered expendable in the first place. Lindor looks like the better deal). OK, so maybe there's a reason they didn't develop this storyline. Besides, it would have been a narrative letdown when they had to send a bunch of now traumatized children back down to the planet. And clean up after them. If there were plumbing accidents, well, things could be ugly. And let's talk about a PR nightmare of epic proportions. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Re: [B7L] Unified Field Theory
by J MacQueen 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

>From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling(a)worldnet.att.net> >and maybe Avon's greatest fear is that he'll be possessed by the spirit >of Gidget. Oh no, she said the G word! Something like this did occur to me, but I think I was quietly hoping no one would bring it up. Too late! Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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RE: Re: [B7L] Re: Cutting it Down to Size
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

"Dana Shilling" <dshilling(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote: >Harriet said: > >> You mean the person working it out for SFX thinks it is (i.e., Steve's >report that Liberator and Deep Space Nine are alleged to be about the >same size). I reserve the >> right to disbelieve six impossible things after breakfast. Given the >> unreliability of info about virtually anything practical in the show, I >> wouldn't put it quite that big. > >We know you can cram about 50 people into the London. Liberator >is at least 10 times the size of the London. So even if three-quarters >of the Liberator is taken up by non-livable space (engines, etc), I'd >expect that Liberator would accommodate at least 125 people. > >-(Y) The main problem with this discussion is that 'they' never developed a plot which would involve the Liberator becoming overcrowded. Jacqui __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Arlen
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

Arlen Even if she had reported her apparent discovery of Blake on Gauda Prime would she necessarily have been believed immediately? Arlen 'Commander, I think I've found Roj Blake the rebel.' Commander 'On what grounds?' A 'He says he is Sir.' C 'And I say I am the President of the Federation. What is he doing on a planet like Gauda Prime?' A 'Acting as a bounty hunter Sir.' C 'Blake is a rebel not a bounty hunter. I tell you, if I had even a credit for every bounty hunter, crook and other lowlife who claimed to be a famous rebel I would be a rich man. This is the fourth would-be Blake the Rebel I've had this year, and it's only March.' A 'If nothing else he is occupying a decent base. Recommend that we take it over Sir.' C 'That is the first sensible thing I've heard today.' (And so the final confrontation begins) __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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