Blakes7 May 2001

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Re: [B7L] Re: FC: SFX card game
by J MacQueen 10 May '01

10 May '01

>From: "Marian de Haan" <maya(a)multiweb.nl> > ><Fashion sense: 5> > >Let me guess. They've seen DeathWatch and Pressure Point.< >In that case he's doing rather well because for *those* costumes I would >have given him 1. Well, that can be 1 for Deathwatch, and possibly 4 for Pressure Point (that'd be the Mummy suit's upper half, presumably - there seem to be few objections to the lower half). That adds up to 5 quite nicely. I'd have added one or two more points, but that's only because I'm partial to one of the series four costumes - not the one with the leather jacket, the other one. Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: Mellanbys
by Helen Krummenacker 10 May '01

10 May '01

> > >It may be that Hal Mellanby is trusting and confides all to people > he > > >barely knows. > > It might be a good idea if you went back into the archive and reread > the > emails between Tavia, Dana, Harriet, Fiona and myself on the subject > of Hal > Mellanby > I believe Ellynne was putting out the 'trusting' options as *unlikely*. So far, I like her version better than the lying hypocrit version. And none of the arguements about Dayna gleefully killing Sarrans counters the possibility that Lauren was the last survivor of a persecuted group on Sarran. Imagine the last Jews in Nazi Germany manage to escape a concentration camp and find refuge in the homes of some technologically superior aliens living among humans. Imagine they become friends-- the parent dies but the baby girl is raised like a sister to the alien. Might the youngest alien not come to believe the Nazis are so irredeemably evil she considers killing them to be a non-crime? Mind you, the analogy is a poor one, but I believe Ellynne is trying to suggest the possibility of an equivilant thing. And like Ellynne, I find Lauren's murder/execution bizarre without further explanation. "Welcome to your people" means, in Ellynne's theory, they are sending her to join her ancestors; consistant with their actions. If they are merely killing her because she has been 'contaminated' by outsiders, why do they verbally acknowlege her as one of their own?

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Re: [B7L] Re: Gan's woman
by Sally Manton 10 May '01

10 May '01

Jenny wrote: <Suppose he'd said, 'a trooper killed Bobby. She meant everything to me. We were to be married. When she died, a part of me died as well.'> If he'd said that, I'd have checked the tape for what show I'd got on 'cause it sure wouldn't be Blake's 7 :-) What Gan says - 'my woman' - is IMO perfectly in tune with the general tone of the language used in the series, especially by people within the federation itself (as apart from neutral worlds like Lindor). It *is* harsher than what we're used to a lot of the time, more reticent and much less effusive. This is very much in keeping with the coldly oppressive, sardine-tin society of the Federation. You don't spill your emotions to people when you've spent your life not knowing who you can trust. Look at Blake in Hostage - "she meant a lot to me once" and that only in response to Jenna's direct question (oh, and BTW, he calls Inga 'the girl' in this scene rather than use her name. Twice.) What the author is IMO trying to tell us is that Gan and the woman weren't married. That *is* the simple explanation, after all ... (Not that I'm at all wedded to the concept *that* the simplest explanation is the best, you understand :-) IMO the best explanation is always the one that adds the most richness and enjoyment to the text while meeting canonical needs. Might be simple, might be wonderfully complicated. But if anyone prefers to always go for simplicity, there's nothing to stop them.) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Gan's woman
by Jenny Kaye 10 May '01

10 May '01

Sally Manton wrote: > >Harriere wrote: > ><When Gan discusses the issue with Jenna, they're acquaintances; maybe he > >might have opened up more later, but at this point he wishes to give her > >only the basic information required.> > > > >They're a reticent crowd, after all. We never hear the names of Blake's > >murdered siblings, Blake is hardly going to say, "Guess what everyone? I was arrested and convicted on paedophile charges. They weren't true of course." Mud sticks. or Avon's brother; neither those relatives nor Jenna's > >mother are ever mentioned again, nor are *any* family/friends of chatterer > >Vila. Cally never mentions her clone sister till they're off to Auron; > >Tarrant never mentions his brother till faced with his image in DeathWatch, > >and the rest of the Tarrant clan is a closed book (which is lovely for > >fanfiction, because we can shoehorn Dev in there somehow). > >None of the Scorpio crew (except possibly Avon) knew Soolin's history on > >Gauda Prime, for all that she'd been with them a year and was friendly with > >Dayna. These people are fictional characters within a fictional universe. Backstory seeds may be sown, but the full back story will only be activated when it is significant to the plot. For example Soolin's history tells us about GP and what we can expect. As a consequence Gan telling us about his "woman" is significant to the episode Time Squad, and Gan's actions in Time Squad are designed to tell us about Gan, or to lay future plot seeds for Gan. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] The End (Was: Re: scripts and other ephemera)
by Jenny Kaye 10 May '01

10 May '01

Harriet Monkhouse wrote: > >Jenny wrote: > >>He's free of him at last. > > > >He's *never* going to be free of him now. He's free from the idea that Blake betrayed him. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Gan defense
by Jenny Kaye 10 May '01

10 May '01

Dana Shilling wrote: > > > >Helen said (in answer to): > > > What is he trying to convey by > > > > having Gan > > > > say "my woman"? > > > > > > > Laws that did not allow certain people to marry? > >It occurred to me last night that, since many > >statements made in B7 reflect an economical attitude > >toward truth (perhaps it's a scarce, rationed resource) > >perhaps the decedent was Gan's "woman" and the > >trooper's wife, and the trooper killed her when she > >happened to be in bed with Gan at the time. Where would the world be without Dana Shilling? A lot colder if you ask me :-). Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Stupid hero moments (was we can't all be geniuses)
by Sally Manton 10 May '01

10 May '01

Helen wrote: <Better yet, the dropped gun in Space Fall.> *That's* the one I meant (I'm having a field day, aren't I?) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: moloch/limiters
by Sally Manton 10 May '01

10 May '01

Jenny wrote: <It didn't say he *had.* It said he dreamt of it when in his prison cell. Which rather suggests that he's criminally minded, and wants to commit crimes. Including violent ones, it seems.> That's still no proof - none whatsoever - that he was arrested or convicted of killing anyone. <We don't know the circumstances under which Avon kills the visa seller, and Avon at least had a motive. Doran shoots two unarmed people and jokes about it-- again, more the action of a habitual killer than someone killing because they have to.> None of which is relevant. Avon still killed the man - he says so himself (and I doubt of even a corrupt judiciary would take 'he tried to turn me in as I was trying to buy illegal visas' as a defence) - but his conviction was for something else. Quite possibly, he was never suspected or arrested for the murder, and there's no reason to assume that Doran was either. <A man kills one guard and has an implant in his head (which doesn't even seem to stop him killing, or getting into states in which he might kill)?> The limiter is clearly both very rare (we don't see it anywhere else, none of the others have ever heard of it before) and seemingly prone to malfunction - it doesn't work very well. My guess is that it was an experimental thing, and that prisoners were allocated to the experimenters to work on. Scientists in Nazi Germany were allowed to carry out all kinds of experiments on prisoners, and I can see the same sort of morality working just fine in the Federation. But to test something designed to stop people killing, it would make sense to trial it on prisoners known to kill - and it's quite in character for them to target those convicted of killing state functionaries (police, politicians, troopers) as an added turn of the punishment screw. Surely a lot easier to give him five to ten? And why give him a limiter and send him to a prison planet, where he's not likely to be a danger to Federation guards? Were they worried he was going to be a danger to other prisoners perhaps? Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Avon needs blake...
by Marian de Haan 10 May '01

10 May '01

Sally wrote: >Marian wrote: ><In Assassin, you get something different; there's a deal made, but once Avon has what he wants, there is no reason for Avon to honour the deal with Nebrox, so why does Avon then save him?> No, Jenny wrote that :-) ><grin> He nearly didn't, you will notice - Neebrox had to *remind* him about his promise.< Yes, which might indicate he may be less a man of his word than he claims. Still, I think he'd want to keep his part of a deal made with Blake. Marian

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Re: Avon needs Blake
by Helen Krummenacker 10 May '01

10 May '01

> Avon does seem to have believed in > Blake, > which suggests that a small part of Avon was an idealist. But then, to > be a > cynic you have to be an idealist. > > Jenny > Well, now, finally something we agree on. Helen

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