Blakes7 May 2001

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Re: [B7L] Re: SFX card game
by Marian de Haan 11 May '01

11 May '01

Helen wrote: >Now I'm wondering if the drinking capacity rating was based on the actor rather than the character.< Or they got confused and attributed Vila's drinking to Avon? :-) Marian

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Re: Gan's woman
by Helen Krummenacker 11 May '01

11 May '01

Dana suggested: It occurred to me last night that, since many statements made in B7 reflect an economical attitude toward truth (perhaps it's a scarce, rationed resource) perhaps the decedent was Gan's "woman" and the trooper's wife, and the trooper killed her when she happened to be in bed with Gan at the time. I had never thought of that possibility, but it seems so very in keeping with human nature that I like it very much. It's very plausible and taints Gan with some of the responsibility for what happened to her-- yet another Balke's 7 situation where none of the heroes are squeaky-clean. And it does suit the phrasing perfectly. The woman was married to the trooper, but was "Gan's woman" by her own heart. Here's an eerie idea for a fanfic-- what if Gan's woman (wife, lover, as you will) was only injured, and transformed into a mutoid after the incident? Or what if she was never really dead-- he was deliberately misinformed to make him angry (hey, people do strange things in the Federation). We've seen some interesting on screen scenes with Travis and the mutoid he appears to have known, and of course, Avon and Anna-- what would happen if Gan had met the woman he loved on the other side of the struggle?

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Re: [B7L] Re: Gan's woman
by Jenny Kaye 11 May '01

11 May '01

Alison Page wrote: > >Suppose he'd said 'the trooper had killed Bobby' - who would have known > >what > >he meant? It could have been his budgie :-) Suppose he'd said, 'a trooper killed Bobby. She meant everything to me. We were to be married. When she died, a part of me died as well.' But he doesn't say that, or anything like it. And the reason he doesn't is because the author is trying to tell us something. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: Fw: [B7L] Avon needs blake...
by Jenny Kaye 11 May '01

11 May '01

Guy wrote: [By the way, I am a big Avon fan and a bit >anti-Blake.] What still troubles me is why Avon needs Blake. Because Avon believed in him. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Gan's woman
by Jenny Kaye 11 May '01

11 May '01

Helen Krummenacker wrote: > > > >Dana suggested: It occurred to me last night that, since many > >statements made in B7 reflect an economical attitude > >toward truth (perhaps it's a scarce, rationed resource) > >perhaps the decedent was Gan's "woman" and the > >trooper's wife, and the trooper killed her when she > >happened to be in bed with Gan at the time. Helen writes: > >I had never thought of that possibility,

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Re: Blake vs. McVeigh
by Helen Krummenacker 11 May '01

11 May '01

rs said: (re blowing up building w/daycare center) Blake, OTOH, would have done his research. And he would have felt personally guilty about killing 19 children under the age of 6. I'm not sure he would have researched enough to know that, but hopefully, yes. Once he had, it would have changed the way he planned. He might have chosen a different target. Or, if he needed to attack that place for a very serious reason (such as getting decoding crystals), he would have assigned one group to evacuate the children or something. He would not have accepted them as direct casualties of his actions. In taking out Star One, there was a risk lives would be lost, but there was no way of predicting where or how. If natural disasters happened, hopefully emergency measures could be taken to prevent losses. Traffic control failures might kill more. In all probabilty the main loss of life would be in the uprisings Blake was counting on to throw off the shackles of the Federation. And with no central computer to coordinate the Federation's military, the major loss of life would be among adult combatants, not children. Or so Blake must have hoped. I don't really like the Star One decision; it didn't bring down the Federation so if not for the Andromedan menace (which they had not foreseen), it would seem to have been a mistake. But that's 20-20 hindsight.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Gan's woman
by Jenny Kaye 10 May '01

10 May '01

Some woman said:-): > >That some other woman said: > > That another woman wrote: > >: <Suppose he'd said, 'a trooper killed Bobby. She meant everything to me. > >We were to be married. When she died, a part of me died as well.'> > > > >: If he'd said that, I'd have checked the tape for what show I'd got on > >'cause it sure wouldn't be Blake's 7 :-) The point I was making was that if the author wanted to be explicit about Gan's conections to this "woman" then he could have easily done so. That fact that he didn't is the point. > >: What Gan says - 'my woman' - is IMO perfectly in tune with the general > >tone > >: of the language used in the series, especially by people within the > >: federation itself Is that so? Give me some examples then. You don't spill your emotions to > >: people when you've spent your life not knowing who you can trust. But in Time Squad Gan is saying that he has to stay with the crew of the Liberator because he needs people he can "rely" on. That means he trusts them. Please watch the episode. > >I've been following this thread, and not > >one suggested locution to replace Gan's "my woman" line has rung true to > >me, for exactly the reason Sally gives here. See my answer the the "reason Sally gives". This ties in, for me, to > >the comment Helen just made in response to the idea that Gan's woman > >was the trooper's wife. > > > >Helen Krummenacker <avona(a)jps.net> wrote: > > > I had never thought of that possibility, but it seems so very in keeping > > > with human nature that I like it very much. It's very plausible and > > > taints Gan with some of the responsibility for what happened to her-- > > > yet another Balke's 7 situation where none of the heroes are > > > squeaky-clean. Sorry, but as there is not one shred of evidence in the series to support this speculation, I have to reject it. > >I think that one of the themes of the series is that nobody is squeaky- > >clean. I interpret this as being because the Federation, the world they're > >in, doesn't allow them to be so clean. I think it's more to do with them being members of the human race. > > > >Back to Gan... to me, the *least* morally dubious statement he can make > >is the one he does. Any elaboration would only give one reason to > >dissect the statement for emotional falsity or lack of moral soundness. > >What he says is straightforward and comprehensible, and not, to my ear, > >sexist. Then listen to it again:-) Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Mellanbys
by Jenny Kaye 10 May '01

10 May '01

Helen Krummenacker wrote: > > > > > > >It may be that Hal Mellanby is trusting and confides all to people > > > he barely knows. > > > > > > It might be a good idea if you went back into the archive and reread > > > the emails between Tavia, Dana, Harriet, Fiona and myself on the subject > > > of Hal Mellanby > > > > >I believe Ellynne was putting out the 'trusting' options as *unlikely*. > >So far, I like [Ellynne's) version better than the lying hypocrite version. Why? > >And none of the arguments about Dayna gleefully killing Sarrans counters > >the possibility that Lauren was the last survivor of a persecuted group > >on Sarran. But it is not supported by any of the evidence we are provided with in the episode. Imagine the last Jews in Nazi Germany manage to escape a > >concentration camp and find refuge in the homes of some technologically > >superior aliens living among humans. Imagine they become friends-- the > >parent dies but the baby girl is raised like a sister to the alien. You can "imagine" all you like; if there is no evidence then it did not happen. > >And like Ellynne, I find > >Lauren's murder/execution bizarre without further explanation. "Welcome > >to your people" means, in Ellynne's theory, they are sending her to join > >her ancestors; consistent with their actions. If they are merely killing > >her because she has been 'contaminated' by outsiders, why do they > >verbally acknowledge her as one of their own? Because she is. Which makes her a traitor. That's probably why Chal doesn't just kill her there and then, but instead "crucifies" her. They are making an example. Jenny who is now going to bed! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Gan's woman
by Jenny Kaye 10 May '01

10 May '01

"Sally Manton" wrote: > >Look at Blake in Hostage - "she meant a lot to me once" and that only in > >response to Jenna's direct question (oh, and BTW, he calls Inga 'the girl' > >in this scene rather than use her name. Twice.) But this is after Inga's name has been established. > > > >What the author is IMO trying to tell us is that Gan and the woman weren't > >married. That *is* the simple explanation, after all ... Why would the author want to tell us that? And again, where is the evidence that they were talking about Federation marital customs, and where else is there anything to suggest that calling someone "my woman" means they were their common-law partner? And why is it so important to the script to give a subtle hint that Gan wasn't married that the scriptwriter would go to all that trouble? It makes absolutely no sense for that phrase to be trying to establish that Gan and the woman weren't married. No sense at all. > >(Not that I'm at all wedded to the concept *that* the simplest explanation > >is the best, you understand :-) Evidently. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] We can't all be Geniuses
by Jenny Kaye 10 May '01

10 May '01

Helen Krummenacker wrote: > > > > Jenny said (of Gan): Oh, he does act stupid. There's a lot of Gan's > >actions which are put > > > down by > > > a lot of people (including the crew) to his being stupid-- not > > > checking to > > > see if Jenna was behind him on Cephlon, or tearing out the computer > > > banks in > > > "Breakdown." But if he's doing these things, and he's not stupid, why > > > is he > > > doing them? > > > > >Breakdown-- he has very strange things going on in his brain because his > >limiter is malfunctioning. Maybe the pretty sparkling lights irritated > >him. Maybe he was getting revenge on the computers for all the times he > >didn't know what button to press. No. He's getting revenge on Avon for treating him with contempt all those times, by attacking the thing he knows Avon loves. > > I cannot see that as typical behavior for him. Then watch Seek-Locate-Destroy. > >On Cephlon, I believe everyone was on board ship before anyone noticed > >Jenna missing? Does that mean Vila and Avon are also stupid? No. Vila and Avon weren't teamed with Jenna. Gan was though. > > Or that when one is on a very hostile planet one doesn't always look around to > >see if everyone else is okay, especially if the other person is believed > >to be comptetent in a dangerous situation. One also doesn't disappear over a rise, leaving Jenna alone, and then fail to mention that Jenna is missing, or then tell Blake a direct lie that Jenna was just behind one. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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