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Re: [B7L] RE: Jarrigoths
by Ellynne G. 25 Jan '02

25 Jan '02

On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:57:47 +0000 "Sally M" <smanton(a)hotmail.com> writes: > > *Impressive* nose. Like Avon's. And lots of curls and teeth as > well :-) The horrible truth just hit me. This is why Servalan likes him so much. She had the Clone Masters whip out a cross between Avon and Tarrant. No wonder the poor guy's so confused. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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'Writing Science Fiction and Fantasy Television'
by Judith Proctor 25 Jan '02

25 Jan '02

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Re: [B7L] Re: Re: Avon and child
by Sally M 25 Jan '02

25 Jan '02

Anna wrote: "The Liberator isn't a very practical place to raise children, and Cally's a dedicated revolutionary--the only one in the crew besides Blake who chose to dedicate herself to fighting the Federation." Not so much, however, by the time Ellynne's talking about - she lost a lot of her fire when they lost Fearless Leader. Though I take your point about choosing not to go to Kaarn. It's something to remember, of course, that being 'Earth-Mother'-y does no necessarily equate with being motherly in the ordinary sense, and Cally, not by nature a warm person, is emotionally distant during the latter part of S3 anyway. She would be conscientious of course, but mightn't *necessarily* bond with what would be as much a half-alien offspring forced on her as it would be to Avon. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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Avon, Zen and Sopron
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 24 Jan '02

24 Jan '02

If Zen is Sopron based where would the System have got the Sopron? Or are there Sopron-equivalents elsewhere? Would Sopron -creatures breed elsewhere (assuming that there are/were occasional contacts between the System and its predecessors and the Federation)? And as for Avon and Zen - from 'Killer' it appears that Terran interstellar space travel has existed for over 700 years and there must have been a number of independent technologically advanced societies that the Federation and its predecessors encountered (Auron and possibly Cephalon and UIltra among others are shown, so there #must# be more). Therefore any 'sufficiently knowledgeable' computer persons would encounter 'non-Terran architecture' computers (even as historical curiosities). Avon, being logical and a 'sufficiently knowledgeable' computer person would not be starting from scratch. Jacqui -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Re: [B7L] Avon and the System
by Ellynne G. 24 Jan '02

24 Jan '02

On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:46:23 -0500 "Dana Shilling" <dshilling(a)worldnet.att.net> writes: > > Ummm, no spoilers or anything, but the current-in-US-season of > a show with a protagonist who isn't always terrible nice either > has him getting completely sappy about a baby. Which, of course, had nothing to do with starting this train of thought in my mind in the first place :-) Actually, I think of Snape in the Harry Potter books as an Avon avatar. Rereading them after book four, I also came to the rather horrifying conclusion that Snape is trying to have a positive impact in the lives of two of the kids who have the most difficulty with him, Harry and Neville. So, you can imagine how I think Avon might manage as a father on his own. I think, teamed up with someone like Cally (or Lily Potter) to provide balance and point out emotional realities, he'd be OK. But do _not_ let him do this on his own. As for Avon's own background, I think Avon had a father with Blake-like, heroic tendencies who was killed when Avon was young. I think Avon's feelings towards his father are mixed. On one side, I think he saw his dad as this heroic figure who had stepped in and saved him a time or two when all seemed lost. On the other side, I think he has these feelings of resentment and anger - his dad died because of his commitment to the cause. Emotionally, it felt like abandonment for the cause. I think this is there in his relationship with Blake and with Hal Melanby. With Blake, the negative part is a lot more prominent - he keeps telling himself not to trust someone like this, that they _don't_ stick with you, etc. With Melanby, who's older than him (easier to unconsciously think of as a father figure) and who saved his child and protected her (and then helps save and protect Avon), he's able to relate to the things he loved and respected in his father. Yes, I can just imagine how this made Avon feel when _he's_ responsible for creating the situation where Melanby dies trying to protect Avon from the situation Avon's involvement in Blake's rebellion has helped create (ie, Servalan as an enemy trying to acquire Orac, Blake and Avon's secret weapon). I'd guess this effected his later relationship with Dayna. He's not going to abandon her but he's not going to encourage her getting too close to him either. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Character ages
by Natasa Tucev 24 Jan '02

24 Jan '02

A suggestion: some time ago we discussed the characters' signs in the Chinese horoscope. Since these change every year, they could also suggest the age difference between the characters. For instance, if Blake was born in the year of the (fire)horse, and Avon in the year of the snake, as I recall we 'determined', what would be the difference in age between the two of them? BTW, I think Blake's actually 32 at the beginning of the series. Blake et al. must have been fighting the Federation for at least a year before they acquired Orac. Then, in 'Pressure Point', Blake says he's been gathering information on Central Control - with the help of Orac - for about a year. These are two years to be subtracted from the age the clone reports in Weapon. Which I find rather interesting, because Bran Foster says Blake was arrested 4 years before the events in TWB - that is, when he was 28. Presumably at the time of that first arrest he must have been the leader of the Freedom Party for at least one year, to become so popular and annoying to the Federation. This means that Blake was leading one of the most influential rebel groups on Earth ('the only one that really meant something', as Foster says) at the age of 27. This is rather young for a leader, isn't it? N.

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RE: Jarrigoths
by Sally M 24 Jan '02

24 Jan '02

Went and watched him again (the things we do ...) What I think it interesting is Her Supremeness's reactions, which are totally unlike I recall seeing anywhere else. First, the scene where she's reclining on the bed, and he's swinging it gently, with that bird-bright expression as they're cheerfully discussing who's going to get killed (one of the things I like about the Gnome is that mixture of befuddlement and cheerful ruthlessness) - then later, when they're waiting on events, they both kick of their shoes and relax, perfectly at ease with each other. And he calls her Commander several times (forgetting the Supreme) and gets away with it :-) They're slmost ... cozy together, which is so totally unlike Servalan that one has to suppose she's actually fond of him (even if she does show a desire to brain the dear little man at times :-)) Does it all mean anything? Probably not. But it's one of the few times I actually find Servalan quite watchable. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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Re: [B7L] Re:Avon and child
by Sally M 23 Jan '02

23 Jan '02

Actually, the whole idea might turn out rather *more* interesting - in a nasty sort of way - if the differences in human and Auron resulted in some sort of abnormality in the child. Both Avon's and Cally's reactions might be interesting ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

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Re:Avon and child
by Helen Krummenacker 23 Jan '02

23 Jan '02

I suspect the Snarly One would be undemonstrative, but would besides protecting the child, take a great deal of interest in preparing baby for life. In fact, that would be one reason he wouldn't be very affectionate-- he sees the world as cold and wants junior to be ready for the feelings of rejection etc that come in life. (Never mind that a sense of unconditional love is more likely to work as a buffer. A psychologist Avon isn't.) He would however, teach the kid life skills-- computers and such, of course, but even younger, he might play hide and seek with junior on the grounds that "The child needs to know how to hide on board ship the next time we are assaulted." In short, um, he'd be a lot like my dad. This is probably why I don't plan to have kids. I take after my father.

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Re: [B7L] RE: Jarrigoths
by J MacQueen 23 Jan '02

23 Jan '02

>From: Mistral Amara <mistral(a)centurytel.net> >That bit's a clever disguise. Mind like a steel trap. Or steel wool. Or >something. Er, so we can, er, scrub that idea. Or something... Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

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