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RE: [B7L] RE: B7 Parents
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 30 Jan '02

30 Jan '02

"Sally M" <smanton(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >Fun topic though this is, it does raise a rather more serious point in the >way Our Heroes' family bonds in the series seem to be almost completely >absent, strangely sterile, or violently fractured. Yes, they are probably >an atypical group - mostly criminals, misfits and outsiders - but it's still >striking how rare the 'normal' bonds that make up families (both of blood >and of choice) are ... > >Deeta and Del Tarrant seem to be attached to one another, but at no stage >during their long separation does it appear that either make the slightest >effort to keep contact with or locate the other. This is echoed in Blake, >who was fond enough of Inga to risk his life for her, but never tried to >contact Ushton, for many years having thought he was dead (we don't find out >why he thought this). His brother and sister, whom he cared about enough to >break conditioning to get news of them, he believed to be on the Outer >Planets and sending news a couple of times a year; he obviously lives alone >(something that appears to be true for Avon, at least, as well). > >Jenna's mother, Blake's siblings, Gan's partner, Avon's brother - none of >them are mentioned more than once, not even mentioned by name *that* once. >Chatterbox Vila never mentions a single family tie; in fact, from the >admittedly-to-be-treated-with-caution evidence he gives, he seems to have >been pretty much alone and involved in crime from a young age. > >Then there is the violence. Blake's family was murdered, then falsely >reincarnated by the state. Cally came from a background where cloning was >combined with a family unit (she mentions her mother and father in Harvest >of Kairos) but is isolated from them by her 'banishment', then loses her >entire people in Children of Auron, including the one she was clearly >closest to (Cally's reaction to Zelda's death is a small but beautifully >understated moment). Then there are the two with families - Dayna and >Soolin - who lose them in violence, as Blake unknowingly did. This trend is >echoed in the number of broken families (the Tarrants being another one, >with no mention of why they separated or what if anything happened to their >parents) we see. > >The combined image is one of an enclosed society of people living in >isolation from others, without partners, children or families, or with >fragile or broken ties to the families they do have. Which may impact on >the question of what sort of parents/partners they would be - if they have >lived all their lives in a society where normal family relationships are >almost *ab*normal, would those they form themselves be somehow twisted by >it? > > One gets the feeling that perhaps the group would work as a family with someone saying to the children (preferrably old enough to be 'of use and practical with it.') 'just because they don't say they care doesn't mean that they do' Jacqui -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Stratford Johns
by Harriet Monkhouse 30 Jan '02

30 Jan '02

Sure someone has picked this up already, but I hear on the news that Stratford Johns - Belkov - has reached the end of the game. -- Harriet "Nox est perpetua una dormienda." - Catullus V

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RE: B7 Parents
by Sally M 30 Jan '02

30 Jan '02

Fun topic though this is, it does raise a rather more serious point in the way Our Heroes' family bonds in the series seem to be almost completely absent, strangely sterile, or violently fractured. Yes, they are probably an atypical group - mostly criminals, misfits and outsiders - but it's still striking how rare the 'normal' bonds that make up families (both of blood and of choice) are ... Deeta and Del Tarrant seem to be attached to one another, but at no stage during their long separation does it appear that either make the slightest effort to keep contact with or locate the other. This is echoed in Blake, who was fond enough of Inga to risk his life for her, but never tried to contact Ushton, for many years having thought he was dead (we don't find out why he thought this). His brother and sister, whom he cared about enough to break conditioning to get news of them, he believed to be on the Outer Planets and sending news a couple of times a year; he obviously lives alone (something that appears to be true for Avon, at least, as well). Jenna's mother, Blake's siblings, Gan's partner, Avon's brother - none of them are mentioned more than once, not even mentioned by name *that* once. Chatterbox Vila never mentions a single family tie; in fact, from the admittedly-to-be-treated-with-caution evidence he gives, he seems to have been pretty much alone and involved in crime from a young age. Then there is the violence. Blake's family was murdered, then falsely reincarnated by the state. Cally came from a background where cloning was combined with a family unit (she mentions her mother and father in Harvest of Kairos) but is isolated from them by her 'banishment', then loses her entire people in Children of Auron, including the one she was clearly closest to (Cally's reaction to Zelda's death is a small but beautifully understated moment). Then there are the two with families - Dayna and Soolin - who lose them in violence, as Blake unknowingly did. This trend is echoed in the number of broken families (the Tarrants being another one, with no mention of why they separated or what if anything happened to their parents) we see. The combined image is one of an enclosed society of people living in isolation from others, without partners, children or families, or with fragile or broken ties to the families they do have. Which may impact on the question of what sort of parents/partners they would be - if they have lived all their lives in a society where normal family relationships are almost *ab*normal, would those they form themselves be somehow twisted by it? _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Stratford Johns
by Steve Rogerson 30 Jan '02

30 Jan '02

Just heard on telly that Stratford Johns (Belkov in Games) has died. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5 http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Jarrigoths again
by Helen Atkins 30 Jan '02

30 Jan '02

Sally said "No, of course Carnell isn't hideous, but he's nothing to get enthused about. Jarriere is waaaayyyy more appealing." ............................................... Are you sure being a Jarrigoth isn't some kind of tribal initiation rite substitute? Seriously? He's such an obscure character that even knowing who he *is* denotes that you're a serious (? not the right word, I know!) B7 fan, thus making identification so much easier. Getting enough people interested to make it worthwhile for someone to produce Jarriere models is surely some kind of accomplishment. (Getting them to stand up straight with that snoz is also testament to the accomplishment of the model-maker.) PS Dear Jarrigoths, No more pictures of Og off-lyst, please. Regards, Helen. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Ashton Press on the move
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 30 Jan '02

30 Jan '02

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Site update
by Minnie 30 Jan '02

30 Jan '02

Hi all Just a message to let you know that my Blake's 7 site has been updated. Theres a new page and some new pictures. The items on the new 'Nova Petting' site are by Marian Mendez. I hope that you'll love them as much as me :) Enjoy and remember that I LOVE feedback ;) Min.xxx http://www.darksites.com/souls/horror/blakes7/index.html

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RE: [B7L] B7 Parents
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 29 Jan '02

29 Jan '02

"Leia Fee" <leiafee(a)totalise.co.uk> wrote: >Take two as I sent this prvately instead of to the Lyst > >Sally wrote... > >OTOH, Vila would be useles at setting limits or giving much guidance - > >he'd be fun to have around (would make a great granddad) but is too > >self-centred and easily swayed to make a fist of the drudgery of > >raising and training a child. > >They'd definately need a good firm mam. > >Leia So which of them would make good uncles/aunts? Jacqui -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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B7 Parents
by Leia Fee 29 Jan '02

29 Jan '02

Take two as I sent this prvately instead of to the Lyst Sally wrote... >OTOH, Vila would be useles at setting limits or giving much guidance - >he'd be fun to have around (would make a great granddad) but is too >self-centred and easily swayed to make a fist of the drudgery of >raising and training a child. They'd definately need a good firm mam. Leia

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Re: [B7L] Del Grant looking older
by J MacQueen 29 Jan '02

29 Jan '02

>From: "Andrew Williams" <awilliams(a)daikin.com.au> >Tom Chadbon played one of the characters in 'The Bill' episode screened >last night on the (Australian) ABC. I thought one particular character looked familiar... Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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