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RE: Re: [B7L] Gan - Limited?
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 05 Feb '02

05 Feb '02

Harriet Monkhouse <hflysator(a)jarriere.demon.co.uk> wrote: >Julia wrote: >>There've been a number of possible explanations put forward. The one I >>currently favour is that the limiter was still experimental at that >>stage, and who better to try it out on than condemned prisoners? > >Yes, I think he's a guinea pig for the latest technology. And >presumably it doesn't work well enough for them to keep him - perhaps >they expected to be able to control more than his capacity for physical >violence, but he appears to retain his free will. So they announce a >wholly successful development in preventing violence, but drop funding >for the project and begin to concentrate their efforts on alternatives >such as Pylene-50, which have a more dramatic effect on the personality. >-- >Harriet The limiters go haywire, Blake and Vila's conditioning don't work (so presumably it doesn't for others) and how long before the Pylene 50 doesn't work. Probably would have been easier to have no drugs and promote 'politics is for the politicians' (g). Jacqui -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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RE: RE: [B7L] From the Very Beginning
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 05 Feb '02

05 Feb '02

Nicola Mody-Nikoloff <mody-nikoloffn(a)axis-intermodal.co.nz> wrote: >Dana Shilling wrote: > >> I'm actually sort of surprised that Blake >> wasn't more worried about being sold out >> by Vila. I'm sure Vila was grateful for being >> rescued from Cygnus Alpha, but I wonder >> if the thought of exchanging Blake and the >> Liberator for a pardon (after all, he isn't a >> particularly important villain, just a chronic >> one) didn't cross his mind more than a few >> times. > >Vila's a soft-hearted villain though. When the possibility of Avon hacking >the ship's log is mentioned, he calls it 'immoral', an interesting word from >a thief. He objects to the idea of killing the putative assassin Cancer too, >saying something like "I'm a thief, not a murderer." He does have a >conscience. > >Nico > Besides Blake knows Vila will stay because he won't find the proverbial 'better hole.' Jacqui -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Re: [B7L] RE: From the Very Beginning
by Sally M 05 Feb '02

05 Feb '02

Dana wrote: "I do think it was lucky for Vila that he never got trapped in a shuttle with Blake and an Ultimate Weapon that could assure ultimate victory for The Cause. ("Come here, Vila, The Revolution needs your help.")" Nah, Blake'd go first (Horizon, Hostage), having made Vila promse to take the UW to the nearest rebel base. (This is the reason Orbit wouldn't work if either of the principals were replaced by Blake, Gan or Cally - no suspense). Which Vila would promptly forget the name of ... _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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From the Very Beginning
by Dana Shilling 05 Feb '02

05 Feb '02

I'm actually sort of surprised that Blake wasn't more worried about being sold out by Vila. I'm sure Vila was grateful for being rescued from Cygnus Alpha, but I wonder if the thought of exchanging Blake and the Liberator for a pardon (after all, he isn't a particularly important villain, just a chronic one) didn't cross his mind more than a few times. -(Y) "Reality is only a dangerous concept if you have to rely on it"

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RE: [B7L] From the Very Beginning
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 05 Feb '02

05 Feb '02

Dana Shilling wrote: > I'm actually sort of surprised that Blake > wasn't more worried about being sold out > by Vila. I'm sure Vila was grateful for being > rescued from Cygnus Alpha, but I wonder > if the thought of exchanging Blake and the > Liberator for a pardon (after all, he isn't a > particularly important villain, just a chronic > one) didn't cross his mind more than a few > times. Vila's a soft-hearted villain though. When the possibility of Avon hacking the ship's log is mentioned, he calls it 'immoral', an interesting word from a thief. He objects to the idea of killing the putative assassin Cancer too, saying something like "I'm a thief, not a murderer." He does have a conscience. Nico *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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Fwd: RE: [B7L] From the Very Beginning
by Sally M 04 Feb '02

04 Feb '02

Dana wrote: "I'm actually sort of surprised that Blake wasn't more worried about being sold out by Vila. I'm sure Vila was grateful for being rescued from Cygnus Alpha, but I wonder if the thought of exchanging Blake and the Liberator for a pardon (after all, he isn't a particularly important villain, just a chronic one) didn't cross his mind more than a few times." It might have - fleetingly and guiltily - but he wouldn't act on it unless forced to by an *immediate* threat (like Travis holding a gun on him). Vila is softly selfish and very self-centred: under pressure he'll consider abandoning a crewmate (he thinks about leaving Blake in Trial, and wants to ditch Tarrant in Traitor) but he's anything but cold-blooded about it. He does like Blake and values his approval (IMO), and I don't think he has the calculation necessary for a deliberate and deadly betrayal of this nature. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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RE: [B7L] From the Very Beginning
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 04 Feb '02

04 Feb '02

Anna Simpson wrote: > Nico wrote: > >He objects to the idea of killing the putative assassin Cancer too, > >saying something like "I'm a thief, not a murderer." He does have a > >conscience. > > He's right with the others in urging Blake to kill the disarmed Travis > in Duel, though. And he helps Avon with the set up in RoD. I think I'd do the same in both cases. Travis massacred civilians, and if Blake had killed him on Centero or Aristo (OK, not in 'Duel' as it was a test) then things would have been a lot better for the rebels. Yes, I know it's not in Blake's character, but he's a better person than me, Gunga Din. Vila was 'adjusted' more than once, presumably suffering as much as Blake did, and Shrinker was a torturer he may even have encountered. I'd do the same. I don't think Vila would have pulled the trigger on Shrinker if he had the chance though; OTOH I might in his place! But I'm a pussy-cat, really! :-) Nico *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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RE: [B7L] Gan - Limited?
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 04 Feb '02

04 Feb '02

Tim Dedopulos wrote: > Does anyone actually know why the Federation went to the > trouble of fitting > Gan with a limiter? It must have been done after his arrest > at the very > least, and probably after his conviction. Given the conditions that > prisoners are shown to be held in, I doubt that anyone much > could cause any > significant harm... and delicate brain surgery must cost > cash. If it was a > simple job, you'd think repairing the limiter would have been > a lot easier than it was. > > So what made Gan so bloody dangerous? > I never did puzzle that one out. As a really cruel punishment? I've finished a story I'm putting on my site soon in which Gan begs them to kill him after the death of his woman and the guard who killed her--he thinks later that's why they left him alive and unable to kill again--including probably himself (he's considering suicide and wonders if the limiter would prevent it). It still seems odd though - you'd think they'd install it and then hope to have a useful tame member of society to exploit afterwards. But perhaps it's very easy to do and relatively cheap by that time. Nico *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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Re: [B7L] Looking Through the Archives
by Marian de Haan 04 Feb '02

04 Feb '02

Mel Saxby wrote: >Spent a large part of the weekend wandering through the list archives. Fascinating to read past discussions, and fun to imagine the contributions I might have made to some of them had I been a Lyst member at the time. Does anyone else ever do this?< Yes, and I still enjoy the discussions reading through them a second or third time. I also went through them before joining, so I knew exactly what I was getting myself into :-) Of course, as an archivist I have a certain affinity for archives and I'm very grateful to Calle for keeping the Lyst archives available, even if they bear witness to some of my more dimmer moments. Marian

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Looking Through the Archives
by Mel Saxby 04 Feb '02

04 Feb '02

Spent a large part of the weekend wandering through the list archives. Fascinating to read past discussions, and fun to imagine the contributions I might have made to some of them had I been a Lyst member at the time. Does anyone else ever do this? Mel "So, I'm not alone after all." Avon, Horizon. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release Date: 1/2/02

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