Blakes7 March 2022

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08 Mar '22

possible to stuff the sandwich without killing a turkey, I might very well ask you to make two sandwiches, one for you and one for me. I like the taste of turkey, even though I refuse to eat it. Neil

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08 Mar '22

> > I take it scented mint is a weakness, then? If you didn't want the anther, you shouldn't have asked the question. PS--Flower heads are peeking through the snow. Delphiniums are always precipitate, or hadn't you noticed?

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mathematicians & computer scientists), they all have the skill to *both* understand a problem in its totality *and* deconstruct it into its subsystems. This level of intellect is where I'd expect Avon to fall, though maybe he and Vila are just talking his skills up, and he really was just a back-room database programmer... Tavia

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08 Mar '22

I hold with those who favor fire... -(Y)

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> >>My only aim was to bring up one aspect which I felt > had been neglected in the debate, namely the fact that in > writing fanfiction, we are hijacking characters that > other people created.<< The frivolous answer is that they did a jolly poor job creating them in some cases, which is what gives us a lot to talk about. The serious answer is that the nature of broadcasting is that certain persons, who are considered reasonably imaginative, get paid to disseminate some of their fantasies to the public. I don't think that there's any implied contract that people who view the broadcasts view the action or characters in the same light as the writers, directors, actors, etc.--nor that the viewers refrain from having fantasies of their own. -(Y)

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AVON There were patrols out everywhere looking for us. I was late at the rendezvous. And then the man from whom I was buying the visas increased the price. He wanted ten times what we had agreed. He said he could get even more if he turned me in and collected the Federation reward. GRANT You should have killed him. AVON I did. Link clamp. >Gan - as I said, this is only my viewpoint - in canon, >he was classified as a murderer by the Federation but, >sympathised with by Jenna when he tells his story to >her - I guess I did too, so I don't see him as a >murderer, more as someone avenging a murder. However; >you have me on a technicality - so I concede that part >of the point to you :-) I *think*, under UK law, premeditated killing would be counted as murder unless carried out in self-defence. I agree with Dana that the Federation is likely to regard killing its officers in a similar light to the current UK and US views on killing police officers. Tavia (who is not a parent, nor ever likely to be one, nor is she a child psychologist; who would also like to point out the potential source of bias inherent in being the publisher of a mixed zine, ttba: http://www.viragene.com/ )

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08 Mar '22

truth. If there had ever been a time when I could have given my own life to save her, I would have done it. The only grain of consolation that I have is that Anna knew that. The fact that a man who values his life so much that he would willingly sacrifice a longtime crewmate in order to save his own, yet who acknowledges that he would have willingly given up his life for Anna, confirms, that he places the life of Anna above his own. Interpretation: Avon loves Anna... The evidence cited above seems to confirm this interpretation and the final scene between Avon and Anna lends credence to it... It was about this point that I figured that the 'Avon and Blake could have loved each other' faction would argue along the lines of: Interpretation #2 But wait a minute - Avon risked his life on numerous occassions to save Blake...taking your argument into account, this could also easily bear out the fact that Avon loves Blake. To this I would respond, that it was never stated that Avon would 'willingly' give up his life for Blake. Many people die in battle alongside comrades at arms and to save the lives of said comrades...I understand that there is a tremendous feeling of loyalty, fellowship and respect and most actions are instinctive based on above sentiments - and of course training - but that isn't applicable here. Avon stating: "that if ever there was a time I could have given my own life to save her...I would have" is vastly different in context to any of the given times when Avon saved Blake - including his attempt to find Blake on Terminal...Avon was not aware of a trap only aware of the possibility and he obviously considered Blake important enough(for whatever reasons)to go there in the hopes of finding him. Speaking from the 'Avon loves Anna' camp, I would like to strengthen my previous points with an observation re: Avon and his on screen reaction to the deaths of both Anna and Blake. First, a quick rundown: RUMOURS OF DEATH: As Anna starts to fall after Avon shoots her, he rushes to catch her and sinks to the ground with her, he cradles her and they speak briefly of their shared past... ANNA: "Anna Grant. I was only ever Anna Grant with you." AVON: "Of all the things I have known myself to be, I never recognized the fool." ANNA: "'Twasn't all lies. I let you go ... my love." she dies. AVON: (he briefly kisses her temple) "Oh no, you never let me go...you never did." he then gently lowers her to the ground and remains crouched at her side...still with his hand covering hers... BLAKE: As Blake takes his final faltering steps towards Avon (after Avon has shot him)he clutches at Avons jacket before falling to the ground. At no time did Avon respond to the clutch nor did he move to break Blakes fall, nor did he cradle a dying or dead Blake in his arms, he remaind rooted to the spot looking down at Blakes fallen body before finally standing astride him prior to aiming his weapon at the surrounding troopers. Both moments are emotion charged - ironically, the Blake/Avon one more so but whatever the reasons for this, there is an obvious notable difference in body language between the two moments. I personally think that Dayna's words confirm what is already expressed in canon. ===== Cheryl. (My favourite 'Blake's 7' moment) What a fiasco! We could take over the ship you said, if I did my bit. Well, I did my bit, and what happened? Your 'troops' bumble around looking for someone to surrender to, and when they've succeeded, You, follow suit! (Avon to Blake. "Spacefall") _____________________________________________________________________________ http://store.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Store - The fastest, easiest way to open an online store.

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This line of Avon's is borne out in a rather nasty fashion at the tail end of 'Orbit'

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stories are in PDF format, so you'll need Acrobat to read them): "Clean Slate" by M. Fae Glasgow: Avon gets amnesia, in a story that proves even the most cliched premise can be used to excellent effect by a truly skilled writer. Notable here is the fact that Avon and Blake's sexual relationship (pre-amnesia) is really quite dysfunctional. (I love the way the amnesiac Avon keeps asking people if he and Blake are lovers, and nobody seems to know quite how to answer him... least of all Blake.) "Revolution" by M. Fae Glasgow (aka "Cally Donia"): Avon and Blake discussing, sex, love, and revolution, not necesarily in that order. Contains very explict and decidedly non-romantic sex, as well as complexities of many and varied sorts. (Also contains lines from the Beatles song used as dialog, which is something that would usually have me running away screaming, but M. Fae manages to get away with it, bless her twisted little heart.) Actually, M. Fae Glasgow (who writes under that name and various other transparent pseduonyms) is another writer who frequently does an excellent job at capturing the complexities in slash relationships. Her stories tend to be very dark, though, and frequently involve various potentially squicky sex-and-violence things. *Definitely* not to everyone's tastes. There you go. Some examples, anyway. (Additional disclaimer: it's been quite a while since I read some of these stories, so I may not be remembering the details of all of them correctly.) -- Betty Ragan ** ragan(a)sdc.org ** http://www.sdc.org/~ragan/ "Indecision is the key to flexibility." -- anonymous

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08 Mar '22

Vanessa Mullen's "In Copenhagen Harbour": Not exactly the sort of thing I was thinking of, actually, but it starts out with Blake and Avon as lovers and where it goes from there is anything *but* simple. Also very angsty.

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