Blakes7 May 2001

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Re: moloch/limiters
by Sally Manton 10 May '01

10 May '01

Jenny wrote: First of all, there's a good deal to suggest that Doran was convicted (at least partly) of murder. He talks about dreaming of "committing every crime in the book";> Well, that only proves that he at the very least does exaggerate, wouldn't you say? Unless he's Methuselah, he *can't* have <g> It's a cheap cliché. <he says "When Doran gets aggravated, he kills people"; he shoots two unarmed guards with nothing more than a quip about the gun going off in his hand. The man's a killer.> So is Avon (the visa seller he mentions in Countdown). Just because someone has killed doesn't *at all* mean they were convicted of murder. <But we never *do* find out exactly what Gan was convicted of, we only have Gan's word for it.> We only have one person's word for a lot of things throughout the series (again, there's Avon's story to Del Grant). Personally, I believe Gan, since I don't think the evidence contradicts his story. YMMV, of course. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: Baycon
by Helen Krummenacker 09 May '01

09 May '01

See you there, Julia ( I hope) Allan and I are going to be in Artist's Alley this year. And we'll be dressed as Avon and Servalan for the Regency dancing one night (ehm, I will be Servalan). I'd enjoy meeting you.

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Re: [B7L] Avon needs blake...
by Jenny Kaye 09 May '01

09 May '01

Marian wrote: >I don't think Avon would lose any sleep over it but, as a man of his word, >he'd prefer to honour his debt if the occasion arose. Avon gives his word, but it's always based on some kind of deal. For instance: SHRINKER: Uh, we had a deal. AVON: Did we? SHRINKER: A way out. You promised me. AVON: Oh, and I'm a man of my word. In the end, that's all there is, really. [Tosses the gun on the ground] SHRINKER: What's that for? AVON: That's your way out. It's a better deal than you gave any of your victims. [Into bracelet] Bring me up. SHRINKER: No, we had a deal. [Avon teleports.] That isn't what I meant. That isn't fair. It isn't fair! Note the continual repetition of the word "deal" (and that the deal Avon has in mind is tainted-- he keeps his word but in a way which is not what was expected, like in The Monkey's Paw). In Deliverance, he keeps his word, but because he wants something out of Meegat. In Assassin, you get something different; there's a deal made, but once Avon has what he wants, there is no reason for Avon to honour the deal with Nebrox, so why does Avon then save him? The answer seems to be that Nebrox is a puzzle: He has helped him, but Avon is also aware that there's a trap for him somewhere in this, and Nebrox could easily be part of it. Until Avon's worked out where it all fits, he's going to keep Nebrox fairly close... Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] The End (Was: Re: scripts and other ephemera)
by Sally Manton 09 May '01

09 May '01

Zenia wrote: <Free of Blake only to realize that he's going to die. I've always thought that he was being ironic. Avon has a *great* sense of the ironic.> Especially for someone like me who's firmly convinced that [a] he's found out the hard way that 'freedom' ain't all it's cracked up to be, possibly-and-partly because [a] the only way he *can* be free of the infuriating but inexplicably important man is when they're both dead. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] The End (Was: Re: scripts and other ephemera)
by Sally Manton 09 May '01

09 May '01

After I wrote: <*Why* triumphant? Not just that I don't see it in his stance, but what has he got to triumph about in shooting Blake?> Jenny suggested: <He's free of him at last.> He's about to die as a 'chance casualty' (they didn't know he'd be there) on a Federation raid on Blake's base. Errr ... as the man himself said, 'I always thought our deaths would be linked'. Some freedom. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Gan's woman
by Jenny Kaye 09 May '01

09 May '01

Marian de Haan wrote: >Jenny wrote: > >>And the fact that he doesn't give her name, or even say "my wife" >or "my lover", but "my woman". Creepy.<< > >I always assumed it to be the accepted expression in the Federation, as >Shrinker uses it too when talking about Anna Grant to Avon ("I never saw >your woman!") But look what Shrinker is? A torturer. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Fw: [B7L] Terminal (was: moloch/limiters)
by Guy Kendall 09 May '01

09 May '01

Alison wrote: > Even if it isn't true, I think Servalan believes it is true. She believes > the political future is inevitable, so she might as well look out for > herself within that overall context. A ruling class that makes use of > psychostrategists is likely to have that view I would think. > Hi everyone - I'm a newcomer here, so I should really borrow some of Slave's humility for my first few postings, but...... Do we really believe Servalan thinks about this stuff much ? She's cunning, politically aware, has a certain amount of tactical deviousness/cleverness etc, but does she ever think of anything which doesn't directly affect her ? Guy

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Re: [B7L] mutoids
by Jenny Kaye 09 May '01

09 May '01

Jacqui wrote: >- and what does Travis mean when he refers to their bionic upgrade (or >whatever, I am going from memory)? The Bionic Man was very popular at the time, and there was a lot of interest in bionics-- that is, the science of developing and using artificial limbs and organs-- in the 1970s. And it's "Bionic Rebuild," btw. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: bleakness and Servalan (was Terminal)
by Helen Krummenacker 09 May '01

09 May '01

Tavia said: > I'm not convinced Servalan's bleak world view by Rumours was > necessarily > present at the start of the series. She gives me the impression of > being > curiously innocent and almost optimistic in S1, especially. One of the > nice > things about the series to me is the way in which even the villains' > characters are radically developed as time passes. > She does appear innocent in the beginning, I think because of the hairstyle-- it's rather like the Peter Pan cut. I wonder if the changes in her retinue also helped with the illusion of powerful aging-- in the beginning, she stands next to Travis, and looks like she could be his teenage neice. "Pressure Point" actually verbalizes some of it; Servalan was apparently so spoiled it never occurred to her even as a cadet that there were ethical concerns in the way the Federation operated. Kasabi considered her the epitome of what was wrong. Yet, in the end, Kasabi faulted herself for not having tried to reach through and find something decent within the brat.

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Hello, Guy (wasTerminal, was Moloch/limiters)
by Helen Krummenacker 09 May '01

09 May '01

> Hi everyone - I'm a newcomer here, so I should really borrow some of > Slave's > humility for my first few postings, but...... > > No, not that, anything but that! > Do we really believe Servalan thinks about this stuff much ? She's > cunning, > politically aware, has a certain amount of tactical > deviousness/cleverness > etc, but does she ever think of anything which doesn't directly affect > her ? > Valid question. However, her skills seem to be primarily political (as opposed to military), and that general equates to an awareness of historical trends, and an ability to at be persuasive while dealing with other intelligent and educated people. To me, that suggests she would have reasonable sounding philosophic and theoretic arguements to back up suggestions. If you look at it that way, it does directly affect her. It also means she might not be that interested in the ultimate truth, but merely the studies, etc, that validate her viewpoint. Welcome to the Lyst, Guy. Helen

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