Blakes7 May 2001

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Re: Orbit
by Steve Rogerson 19 May '01

19 May '01

Mistral said in response to me suggesting Vila could have pulled a similar move on Avon in the shuttle as he did on Arlen at Gauda Prime: "he was relying on trickery with Arlen. Avon would never have fallen for something like that under those particular circumstances." Not necessarily. Avon wouldn't have been expecting it from Vila, so Vila would have the element of surprise. Though I still like Anna's suggestion that Vila learnt that trick from Dayna after Orbit so he could defend himself against Avon. Alison said: "Michael Keating said Vila was crying because he was trying to get his act together to put *himself* out the airlock." That doens't work for me. Vila looked scared, not like someone bracing himself. Claudia said: "I don't think Vila would sacrifice himself for Avon, but I think (and this came up during our post-episode discussion) that he *would* sacrifice himself for Blake. Blake would be willing to sacrifice himself for Vila, and Vila would return the favor, in my opinion. But he wouldn't for Avon, because Avon wouldn't for him." I can imagine this working. Blake, I think, would be the self sacrificing type and if he did so, I can see Vila turning the tables and saying that Blake was more important and should be the survivor. Whether Blake would let him is another question; we saw how badly Gan's death affected him so I don't think he would let Vila die if he could stop it. He would rather die than let Vila die. I think you're spot on about Avon. Alison said: "After all that is exactly what he did in 'Blake' - sacrifice himself in a very untypical brave act. I think he was able to do it, because he thought he really had no escape, so he had nothing left to lose (I'm talking about in 'Blake')." This works too, I believe. If Vila realised that the game was up, then he has nothing to lose, which is why he went for Arlen. A more typical Vila move would be to put his hands up and surrender - the guy was a survivor after all. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5 http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Re: Curiouser and curiouser
by Steve Rogerson 19 May '01

19 May '01

Brought back the U Harriet said: "I never thought I'd actually *be* in a scenario where the villain tore off his or her moustache and cried "Now, before I torture you to death with my excruciating machine, let me explain the details of my fiendish plan!"" Tis a bit like playing the When I'm an Evil Overload game. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5 http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Re: Gambit frame captures
by Tavia 19 May '01

19 May '01

Harriet wrote: >I even downloaded a few other ones - the picture >of Avon spitting ice cream is particularly good. My all-time favourite costumes for Travis, Cally and especially Jenna. And neat to dress the women in black and white (echoes of the chess game?). At least that way one can tell them apart.... Thanks, Lisa. All those dimly lit outside shots must have been a pain. Tavia

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Re: Re [B7L] Curioser and curioser...
by Jenny Kaye 19 May '01

19 May '01

Slasher Harriet Monkhouse wrote Curioser and curioser... > >Why isn't there a U in this... Because it is a reference to Alice In Wonderland. The reason the word is spelt incorrectly is because Lewis Carroll made it up. > >I'm awfully sorry, but I nearly fell off my seat laughing at one of > >today's digests. I alway try to entertain. > >I'm really, really sorry for all the people who got hurt by this > >trollery, There speaks a true slasher. > > but I never thought I'd actually *be* in a scenario where the > >villain tore off his or her moustache Oooh, loft ladder. > > and cried "Now, before I torture > >you to death with my excruciating machine, That comes later :-) let me explain the details of > >my fiendish plan!" LOL. Wrong. > >Sadly, it was so fiendish that, sharing my beloved Jarriere's dim wits, You said it. > >I still can't see how it could possibly have achieved its purported aim. That's quite evident. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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New frame captures
by Lisa Williams 19 May '01

19 May '01

I've just uploaded the B7 frame captures which will be available for the next five weeks. The episodes on display now are "Gambit" and "Gold". The set of 196 images from "Gambit" is new to the library. The B7 frame capture library can be found at: http://framecaplib.com/b7lib.html . I remain firm in regarding "Gambit" as among the least interesting episodes of the first two seasons, but admit that it does have a fair amount of visual variety, which is good for frame capture purposes. After watching it through, I think much of my indifference to this one stems from the fact that we actually see very little of the Liberator crew. Lots of screen time for Krantor & Toise, Docholli, Chenie, Travis, Servalan, and even Jarriere, but not much of Blake & Co. There are about five minutes of relevant plot and a lot of filler (including scenes of Servalan heroically attempting to explain said plot to Jarriere, with a notable lack of success.) So, this set of captures is a bit thin on good shots of the crew, but there are a few of them here and there. Avon is wearing the horrid Shapeless Silver Thing, but I can't help that. And there are plenty of pics of the assorted supporting cast -- including Jarriere, which should make Certain People happy. (No, he *doesn't* get his own index. You go look for them; so there.) We don't see the flight deck at all in this one -- is that unique among the Liberator episodes? - Lisa -- Lisa Williams: lisa(a)eroicafans.org or lcw(a)dallas.net Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://framecaplib.com/ From Eroica With Love: http://eroicafans.org/

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Re: Re [B7L] Curioser and curioser...
by Jenny Kaye 19 May '01

19 May '01

An analysis by Jenny Kaye. "Neil Faulkner" wrote Now here's a man and a half. > >This month seems to be getting more entertaining by the day. I always try to entertain. You know that Neil. Yesterday > >afternoon Fiona Moore sent me an email saying: > > > ><Hi Neil, > >I desperately, DESPERATELY need your help. What can I do?> No she didn't. That was me. > >followed by Wortham's original 'Word of warning' post, to which Moore > >appended no further comment. > > > >Some hours later, even as I was drafting a reply (along the lines of "What > >the fuck do you expect *me* to do?"), she sent a follow up message thus: > > > ><Ignore earlier panic. Jenny's got everything under control.> That's true. That was me as well. > >Moore has not responded to my reply to her original post. > > >As was presumably made clear by my accidental misposting last week, Bad move, Faulkner, you've just made a big slip there. This posting wasn't accidental. He believed that Fiona and Jenny were the same people. They aren't. Faulkner was setting a trap. > >I've been in offLyst contact with Moore. Yes, for a while. But she was so sick of your juvenile bollocks, that she handed it over to me. Do you remember my line "you're looking in the wrong place." I was trying to sound you out. But what I discovered about you frightened the shit out of me. I can only say that the witty and > >insightful poster she was onLyst That was Fiona. She'd like to hear that, if it weren't for the fact that you've tried to stab her in the back. Shall I forward this to her? swiftly turned into an obnoxious snotty > >little cow, No she didn't Neil. That was me again. Not as clever as you pretend, are you? :-) with a conversational style (handbags included) not unlike > >someone else who is currently highly visible on Lysator. The handbag is my motif. You're now working backwards Neil. > >Furthermore, she used this personal correspondence to launch a stream of > >vitriolic invective at Lysator That is something of a distortion. > >and just about everyone on it, That is a total lie. And I should know. I was writing all this shit. slashers in > >particular It would be more accurate to say that I attacked the slash mentality. Which is aberrant. > >but by no means them alone. That is a lie. He is lying because that email I sent begging for help told him that she was an innocent little waif. As soon as he decided that she was weak he struck. What a vicious bastard. He hates Ashton Press, but he's accepted that situation. He's too independently minded to be brainwashed. But he knows what's going on, don't you Neil? And you don't care. He lost the ability to distinguish between good and evil years ago. These tirades would seem to have at > >least some foundation in the way poor fickle Shane (clueless wanker that he > >was) That's telling as well. was left to fight his tediously protracted scuffle against the > >Wortham/Rosenthal bastards I do like that line. Neil isn't a Slasher. He hates the stuff as well. But that's the only way he differs from these people. > > with no one lifting a finger to help him. Including you. Who sat back and watched the fun. You're doing this now because you hate Fiona and Annie equally. But you've made a big mistake fucker. I needed a lamb to entice out the wolves. And didn't they come running. I tagged them as well. As for Shane, he was going about it all the wrong way. You do not use brute force to attack a force you do not understand. There was no way he could win. There are at least 16 slashers on here, some under multiple names, pathetically desperate to push their own "take" on the show. Shane was taking it too personally. He is gay. He saw Ashton Press's output as homophobic filth. It is. He was so offended that he went at them hammer and tongs. Bad move. When he started siding with Julia Jones of all people I knew he'd lost for sure. But I watched what happened and learned. > >Shane, > >'would seem, is a personal friend of Moore's. As far as I am aware they are friends. Fiona was appalled at what happened to him. And then she met me. The cavalier fannish > >attitude to Terry Nation's (supposed) writing talent or (counter-supposed) > >lack of would also appear to have a lot to do with it. Neil hates Terry Nation. I don't know why, but it runs very deep. Perhaps because he's been wasting his life trying to work out what Standard By Six means, and has been drawing a blank. Small-minded bastard. > >I don't know if anyone else has been in offLyst contact with Moore As far as I'm aware they haven't. And, for the most part, nor were you. and has > >anything similar to report. They won't do. It was just you and me. I won't trust anything "Jenny Kaye" says on > >that matter. That's interesting. It's suddenly occurred to this pseudo intellectual that I may rip the fucker to shreds. I've been doing it offlyst for the best part of three weeks now. I would just love the chance to do it onlyst, Neil. > >Don't ask me exactly what the fuck's going on here, because I haven't a > >clue. True. Clueless is one of your attributes. But I have suspected for a couple of weeks now that Moore and Kaye > >are working together, Only in the loosest possible way. A pro keeps it simple. I wouldn't make a mistake like Fiona made. But she took what happened to Shane personally and wouldn't listen to me. > >if indeed they are two separate people. Wrong again Neil. She's a lamb. I'm a wolf. But I'm also a shepherd. I gave you a big enough clue. Jules Winnfield. > >Animal camouflage don't count for squit when some cunt sets fire to the > >forest. This forest is full of cunts like you unfortunately. > >Fan the flames Now we see the real Neil. When animal camouflage breaks down. Something nasty comes out. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Orbit
by Jenny Kaye 19 May '01

19 May '01

"Alison Page" wrote: >Claudia said - > > >Hm. I don't buy that at all. If that's what the actor says he had in > >mind, I'll accept that, but that's not what comes across on screen to me. > >To me, he's just in terror. > >I didn't get it from the performance either. Though it would be quite a >difficult thing to convey in the few seconds Vila is on shot during that >part of 'Orbit'. It would be impossible. >But I don't think it would be quite out of character. > If Vila thought he >couldn't possibly survive, so it was 'either we both die, or the other guy >survives, but in any case I am finished' he might decide to do something >heroic. Who knows how anyone would react under those kind of extreme circumstances? >After all that is exactly what he did in 'Blake' - sacrifice himself in a >very untypical brave act. Total distortion of what actually happened. Arlen had them all at gunpoint, Vila overpowered her, then he was shot in the back by a guard who emerged from nowhere. I think he was able to do it, because he thought >he really had no escape, so he had nothing left to lose (I'm talking about >in 'Blake'). Wrong. I imagine Vila was very aware of the chances of survival at >any time, and always tried to maximise them. That's true. But once those chances hit >zero, the calculus of cowardice no longer applied. That last comment is very perceptive. It happened once, so why >not twice? In "City at the Edge of the World" it happened, but through love. In "Blake" he isn't sacrificing himself, he's taking a chance. >I agree that who he felt he was sacrificing himself *for* is an added >complication, though. That might change everything. Yes, that's true. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Orbit
by Alison Page 19 May '01

19 May '01

Claudia said - >Hm. I don't buy that at all. If that's what the actor says he had in >mind, I'll accept that, but that's not what comes across on screen to me. >To me, he's just in terror. I didn't get it from the performance either. Though it would be quite a difficult thing to convey in the few seconds Vila is on shot during that part of 'Orbit'. But I don't think it would be quite out of character. If Vila thought he couldn't possibly survive, so it was 'either we both die, or the other guy survives, but in any case I am finished' he might decide to do something heroic. After all that is exactly what he did in 'Blake' - sacrifice himself in a very untypical brave act. I think he was able to do it, because he thought he really had no escape, so he had nothing left to lose (I'm talking about in 'Blake'). I imagine Vila was very aware of the chances of survival at any time, and always tried to maximise them. But once those chances hit zero, the calculus of cowardice no longer applied. It happened once, so why not twice? I agree that who he felt he was sacrificing himself *for* is an added complication, though. That might change everything. Alison

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Re: [B7L] Re: Orbit
by Jenny Kaye 19 May '01

19 May '01

This email is also a conditioning device. padme(a)bantha.org wrote > >"Alison Page" <alison(a)alisonpage.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >: Steve said - > > > >: >Re what I said earlier about Vila's professional attack on Arlen in > >Blake,: if he had those skills, why didn't he go for Avon, or was he too gutted at the > >: betrayal? > > > >: Michael Keating said Vila was crying because he was trying to get his act > >: together to put *himself* out the airlock. That is, he was going to > >: sacrifice himself, as you think Blake would. Quite frankly this is bollocks. > >Hm. I don't buy that at all. Good. If that's what the actor says he had in > >mind, I'll accept that, I think it is very unlikely that he did. If he did however, he was wrong. but that's not what comes across on screen to me. > >To me, he's just in terror. Yes. > >Not exactly betrayal, because Avon didn't > >do anything Vila didn't expect of him. That is a fudge. He doesn't have to wait to see > >Avon's reaction to Orac's comment; he's already hidden before Avon comes > >down with his gun and his awful soft voice. Only because he suddenly had the most terrible feeling. Until that moment he really thought he was safe with Avon. Mistake. > >I don't think Vila would sacrifice himself for Avon, That's true. but I think (and this > >came up during our post-episode discussion) that he *would* sacrifice > >himself > >for Blake. No he wouldn't. Vila would always put himself first. He's not the sacrificial type. Blake would be willing to sacrifice himself for Vila, and Vila > >would return the favor, in my opinion. Then you're wrong. And it's interesting to note that you didn't put IMO, but wrote the words. But he wouldn't for Avon, because > >Avon wouldn't for him. That's true. > >What would happen between Blake and Avon on the shuttle? I have no idea. > >Neither of them would hide, so instead there would be some kind of > >"so this is it after all these years" confrontation. Blake would have taken the lead. They would have sorted it out together. I'm sure Blake > >wouldn't kill Avon, That's true. but I don't think Avon would kill Blake either, > >_in that circumstance_. True. I think in the end Blake would sacrifice himself > >and Avon would be destroyed by it. Bullshit. He didn't even deal that well with > >Tarrant going down with Scorpio when he was the only one who could save > >the other. He let him do it though, didn't he? In a case where either of the two had the ability to save > >the other and Blake saved Avon... well. As I say, I think it would > >destroy him. Totally the opposite. This starts out well, but in the end it becomes another Avon "was nice really" email. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Vila the Vegetable
by Jenny Kaye 19 May '01

19 May '01

Mistral wrote: > >Jenny Kaye wrote: > > > > > > Mistral wrote: > > > > > > > >If the characters were vegetables, what do you think they'd be? > > > > >Vila would be a cucumber, because they're seedy and frequently > >pickled. Avon might be a hot pepper, Travis a Brussels sprout. > > > > > > > > > >Mistral > > > > > > Another tagged slasher upping the drug count. > > > >Sorry, 'Jenny', No, that's Jenny, 'Mistral'. > >your ignorance is showing again. Hand bag. You've mistaken an > >interest in a free press (which I have) What are you doing on Lysator then? for an interest in slash (which > >I don't have). That's interesting. You have just clearly stated that an interest in "free press" is not one that is compatible with "slash". I agree. If you'd been paying attention to the discussions in > >recent months, you'd know that. I was giving you a great deal of attention Mistral. > >Whatever credibility you imagine you've > >had, you just tore apart all by yourself. Again, interesting. Why should I be worried about tearing apart a "credibility" which is "imagined"? If you're not a slasher, why are you acting like one? Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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