Blakes7 March 2001

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Re: copyright and fanfic (Was [B7L] Recent slash discussions etc)
by Ashton7＠aol.com 12 Mar '01

12 Mar '01

In a message dated 3/12/01 5:15:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, tavia(a)btinternet.com writes: << If a fanzine made substantial profit, then the legal side of things might start to have more meaning. >> I think that if fanzines were CAPABLE of making substantial profits then the studios would be producing them themselves. And they would have done it a long time ago. As it is, they've finally gotten a clue that tie-in novels often do well *and* that fanzines don't even tend to cut into that market. Frankly, if the fanzines were highly profitable and the studios wanted to publish them, it would be a great boon to all aspiring fan writers and artists who would finally get paid for their hard work. If it hasn't happened by now, I don't think it's going to! Of course, there are a few rare exceptions, like Karen River, who got the contract to do the cover of Paul Darrow's Avon book. Annie

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Re: [B7L] Re: use of image
by Ashton7＠aol.com 12 Mar '01

12 Mar '01

In a message dated 3/12/01 3:01:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, steve.rogerson(a)mcr1.poptel.org.uk writes: << There was a fuss at Deliverance in 1998 when Sally Knyvette got upset with a dealer selling photos of her. She insisted the dealer tear up the photos she had, which the dealer did. These were photos taken at another convention. The dealer tore up the photos for a quiet time, but she was under no legal obligation to do so as Sally had no rights to those pictures. >> This is very strange. I would think that Sally would be aware of the copyright laws and also that she would have seen photos of herself for sale at conventions before. I know that Laura Peck here in the US and also Linda Terrell used to take a lot of photos at the various conventions specifically for resale to the fans. In fact, a number of conventions basically "hired" them to do so and to provide copies for sale to the fans. Unless Sally had a contract at whatever convention the pictures were taken at that there would be no photography allowed she would, as you say, have no right to complain about the photos taken at a public event. Are you certain that was all there was to the story? Maybe the photos were bootlegs of ones that Sally herself did own a piece of (through a deal with the actual photographer or something similar)? I've seen THAT happen at conventions where a celebrity finds a dealer selling photos of them and it turns out that the celebrity DID own the copyright and the dealer (or their supplier) was bootlegging them. Annie

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Re: [B7L] Recent slash discussions etc
by littles＠lycos.co.uk 12 Mar '01

12 Mar '01

----- Original Message ----- From: Betty Ragan <ragan(a)sdc.org> > IMO, there are quite a number of stories in "ttba" that, while totally > unacceptable for a "gen" zine are definitely not calculated to appeal to > those specifically looking for erotica. Which can create quite a > dilemma, I think, for a writer who's looking to get her story out to the > appropriate target audience. > > The "ghettoization" of slash does bother me a little bit, actually, > because it lumps a drama- or action- based story in which it's mentioned > in passing that Avon is sexually interested in Blake, say, in with a > highly explicit piece of PWP erotica. Perhaps (like with threads on Lysator?) the answer is specialisation: further subdividing zines into gen (frivolous, serious or mixed) and slash (PWP, serious, or mixed)? Shane "You can't trust anyone nowadays, can you?" --Avon

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Avon's conviction
by Andrew Williams 12 Mar '01

12 Mar '01

Marian wrote: >>Cheryl wrote: >>I don't think Avon was sent to Cygnus Alpha for any crime other than an >>attempt to defraud the Federation's banking system...< > >I agree. In Space Fall Vila only mentions the bank fraud, not the dead visa >seller. Could it be that he was charged with the visa dealer's murder, among many other charges, but because they all related to the bank fraud, that is what he was known for? Vila's introduction is a bit like saying "This is Ronnie Biggs, the Great Train Robber" - it's a convenient label without specific details. Though I do agree that Avon may not have even been connected with the death. And on another topic: How many space rats does it take to change a light bulb? Two - one to change it, and one to kick the chair out from under him.

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Re: [B7L] Recent slash discussions etc
by Ashton7＠aol.com 12 Mar '01

12 Mar '01

In a message dated 3/12/01 4:34:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, tavia(a)btinternet.com writes: << Doesn't this depend on the country? In the UK, you certainly don't have to trademark brand-names for UK use unless you want to, prior use will still apply (within a given field). At least that's what I got told when I looked into trademarking all my company names. >> I'm sorry, but that question I can't definitively answer. It appears to me that US copyright law is very similar if not the same as international (and UK) copyright law. Whether or not the trademark laws are also the same, I have to admit I don't know. I can say, though, that trademark and copyright are two different things and you *can not* copyright a character name (or situation). You can only copyright an individual "thing" in a certain form. Although there are some protections regarding derivative works... and that's where you get into the whole profit/non-profit, commercial/non-commercial, etc. debate of fan fiction as a whole. Generally, my personal opinion is that fan fiction, fanzines and fan art qualify for fair use. As there has never been, to my knowledge, a court case on the subject, there has never been a ruling made, one way or another. (I had a script writer tell me once that George Lucas HAD successfully sued, but she could never tell me a single particular of the case and two different lawyers attempted to find any record of it and found nothing. I would have found it odd if Lucas had indeed sued since George Lucas himself, much like Terry Nation, used to actively encourage fans to send copies of their fanzines to his office. In fact, LucasFilm took it a step further. They actually PAID for the copies (they requested two of each issue).) Annie

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Re: [B7L] Redemption '01 con report and pics
by J MacQueen 12 Mar '01

12 Mar '01

>From: "Una McCormack" <una(a)qresearch.org.uk> >Great report, and I love the photos - except one... Alas, poor Una. Now we don't actually need Neil's photograph... Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Recent slash discussions etc
by Tavia 12 Mar '01

12 Mar '01

Annie: >Just a note on copyright law. You can *not* copyright a >character name or situation. You can only trademark a >name... and even then the trademark isn't considered >to have been violated unless the use of the name could >possibly be confused (by the public) with the original. >As far as I know, Blakes 7 has no character names >trademarked (and neither do most television shows >or movies... Star Wars is one that comes to mind that >has character names actually trademarked). Doesn't this depend on the country? In the UK, you certainly don't have to trademark brand-names for UK use unless you want to, prior use will still apply (within a given field). At least that's what I got told when I looked into trademarking all my company names. Tavia

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Re: [B7L] Recent slash discussions etc
by Ashton7＠aol.com 12 Mar '01

12 Mar '01

In a message dated 3/11/01 9:05:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, dshilling(a)worldnet.att.net writes: << If there is any material unsuitable for children in a publication, it should not be sold to children, and there should be a clear warning for parents supervising their childrens' reading material. >> In all my years of selling fanzines, I have never once had a child *ask* to buy a copy (of a genzine *or* an adult zine). Does anyone have personal knowledge of children buying fanzines? And, if so, were they doing it without the active assistance of their parents? The only children I've ever encountered in fandom were usually there because their parents had brought them to a convention or some such, not because they had an overriding interest of their own, especially in fanzines. (And what qualifies as a "child" anyway? Someone under 14? Under 18? Under 21?) Annie

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Re: [B7L] Reality Shifts
by Jenny Kaye 12 Mar '01

12 Mar '01

Hi, I'm new on Lysator, though I've been a fan of Blakes 7 for a long time, and I think both of these are really interesting ideas. Do you suppose it could have been Orac who caused the change? I mean, at the end of series one he shows the disaster happening to the Liberator/its sister ship, but do you suppose it could really have been the Liberator? And Orac changed the future so that it was its sister ship? Orac says he has infinite knowledge and that the destruction of the ship is an immutable fact, and if he had infinite knowledge he'd know how to cause a reality shift! Jenny >>Fiona wrote on Travis: >> >For instance, to try a couple of different >>ways of "playing the game" (to use your terminology :) ), one can try and >>explain it by suggesting that, during his retraining between the series, >>Travis' brain was removed from his head and placed in the head of another >>man (who was then given similar injuries-- they were meant to be the same >>but there was a medical error :) ); his speech centres were altered to give > >him an East End accent, and a leafletting campaign was conducted throughout > >the galaxy to say "Travis now looks like this; when you meet him, don't say > >anything about the change, it might hurt his feelings" :). >> > >Another explanation, however, might be to note the other changes that happen > >throughout the following seasons that contradict season 1--Cally's >>backstory, for instance, or Venn Glynd being played by a different actor and > >suddenly having become a prosecutor at Blake's trial--and argue that, to > >adapt an explanation frequently used in comic books, something happened to >>the fabric of reality, so that the entire universe changed for the >>characters, and Travis had *always* been played by Brian Croucher, Venn >>Glynd was in fact the prosecutor at Blake's trial, etc., for the characters. >>As observers, though, we *would* in fact see the change--so it jars on us. >>But the characters don't notice it at all. > >Hey, that could explain "The Sevenfold Crown" and "The Syndeton >Experiment"-- they're how the B7 universe would have looked if the change >_hadn't_ taken place after Series 1... > >Thank God the change took place, then! > >Shane _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Blues war [Re: [B7L] Kathryn's convention report/slash]
by Harriet Monkhouse 12 Mar '01

12 Mar '01

Tavia wrote: >Why don't you just admit it, Fiona, you're surrounded >and outnumbered... She may find me a strange bedfellow, but the Cantabrigensians leave us no choice... If they attack, they will find me watching her back. Illuminatio mea! Harriere

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