Blakes7 March 2001

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Re: Use of image
by Steve Rogerson 14 Mar '01

14 Mar '01

Shane said: "an image using the actor's (facial) likeness which caused the actor distress and may, if s/he didn't want to be seen as the sort of person who would pose for dirty pictures (or allow these to be distributed), be seen by him/her as career-damaging." As I think has been pointed out, there is no use of image law in the UK. An I think an actor would have a hard job proving in court that the use of such images in a fanzine implied to the average reader of a fanzine that he had posed nude for them, which is what he would have to prove. As we are now getting wildly off topic, if you want to discuss libel law etc further, I suggest we go to the spin list. I've copied this message there to start it off. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent The 25th Anniversary Blake's 7 Convention The 10th Anniversary Babylon 5 Convention http://www.smof.com/redemption

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slash...
by Nathan Hook 14 Mar '01

14 Mar '01

is it the same in other parts of the world?...the term going for a slash means spending a penny, or more bluntly taking a piss. not to be confused with taking the piss, but perhaps this is what some fans consider slash to be about, more acurately urinating all over accepted norms? = backlash and the pro-anti slash war/debate. In other words slash bends what is accepted and liked, even loved. Slash writers by doing this defile, in the eyes of some fans what is scared, and therefore cause offence. This may be deliberate or unwitting, the result inevidable. I spose it's similar to those sandle wearing vegetarians who decided that Noddy was gay bacuse he rode in the car with the policeman and shared his bed. the same literary lunatics then suggested Noddy be amended so as not to confuse children... Or another example the music biz. the rehash of familiar songs into different formats, the traditionalists often take offence and argue against it, sometimes with a degree of validity... Nathan. A 'strange coincidence', to use a phrase/ By which such things are settled nowadays. Byron. ------------------------------------------------------------ Free, BeOS-friendly email accounts: http://BeMail.org/ Peep! - http://twinfusion.com/comic/peep/ - "Stop lookin at my eye mofos!"

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Re: [B7L] I See Dead People
by Alison Page 14 Mar '01

14 Mar '01

Kathryn >Unless, of course, they've got a situation such as in Soylent Green. >(darn, I can't remember the title of the book, just the movie) Was it 'Make room, make room'? Can't remember the author though. Alison

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Re: [B7L] the future of programming
by Ellynne G. 14 Mar '01

14 Mar '01

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 19:46:58 -0700 Betty Ragan <ragan(a)sdc.org> writes: > > Then again, maybe's he's an even bigger genius than we're giving him > credit for... > Skipping the knee-jerk, Avon drool response, I had an idea for a story with a character who was pretty much based on Avon (the universe he was operating in changed too much to be the B7 one) that this reminds me of. He was a master engineer who was one of the few people around capable of dealing fully and in depth with all the various computers, machines, etc. in his reality. There was a simple reason for this since he 1) had an implant or two in his brain that allowed him to fully interface with most of the computers and such and 2) he'd designed most of them or (being the Federation equivilant's Chief Engineer and [for lack of a better term] their guild master) overseen their creation. (Naturally, this had its downside, since the Powers That Be saw him as a tool to be used and much of his nontechnical knowledge and memory was routinely purged before he escaped and found himself stuck with Blake avatars and all that [on a super ship that really was his - talk about manipulating the system on a large scale]). Seems like a variation on this would explain a lot about Avon - including why he never admits having a Ph.D. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Nervous Nelly takes cover (was Request For Comment - Lyst Culture Guide)
by J MacQueen 13 Mar '01

13 Mar '01

>From: Tavia <tavia(a)btinternet.com> >Well, I've just done the late-at-night equivalent of walk round the block >and I still think this is an incredibly hurtful thing to say. <draws curling wand and looks for polystyrene rock to hide behind> Oh, no, not again. Regards Joanne (wondering what colour petunia she should choose to be just at the moment) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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the future of programming
by Alison Page 13 Mar '01

13 Mar '01

>>I simply can't envisage how someone who's presumably quite good with the things, such as Avon, might think about what we'd call programming. So, any further thoughts very welcome...Tavia The best novel I have read on this subject is 'a deepness in the sky' by Vernon Vinge. This is set several centuries in the future (and extends over several centuries). The practice of programming has become something like archaeology (or indeed socio-biology) in that code has been laid over code until the whole is completely beyond any order or rationalization, and modules which were created and adapted long ago may have unforeseen effects on present programming. One can easily imagine the corpus of a software system becoming not just unwieldy but literally too complex for anyone or any AI to begin to encompass or understand it. I think you can fix up a possible future where welding bits and bobs together (or using screwdrivers) could be a realistic programming activity (this isn't in the vinge book, I'm making it up). Whole blocks of code could exist as physical black box systems which you literally bolt together to create programs. One could imagine this happening as a way of keeping out viruses and unknown side-effects. The individual components of the software would be literally sealed systems, with inputs and outputs defined and locked perhaps decades or centuries earlier. These sub-programmes are using up massive amounts of storage space, but it is just too complex to open them up and try to simplify them, and processing speeds are so fast that it could never be cost or time effective to do so. Instead they are simply mass-produced en bloc like engine components. Avon, and any super-technician, would be distinguished by his/her familiarity with huge numbers of these components, and by an understanding of how they interact to make useful programmes. A subtle programmer would understand how installing slightly different versions of sub-routine blocs would subtly alter the operation of the overall system. And that's what he's doing with his screwdriver Alison ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com **********************************************************************

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Re: [B7L] Light Bulb Joke
by Ellynne G. 13 Mar '01

13 Mar '01

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 19:35:10 -0700 Betty Ragan <ragan(a)sdc.org> writes: > Cheryl wrote: > > > I hope you don't mind if I add one of the later > > additions to the Liberator: > > > > Dayna: But I like the ancient illuminating methods > > the oil lamp, the candle...they seem more real > > using them, there is more danger... > > I *like* this one! Can't think of any for Tarrant, though. Best I > can > come up with is Soolin: "But shooting things in the dark is more of > a > challenge!" > Tarrant: "This is a finger. It was designed for pushing buttons to activate permanent light cells with built in repair units, not for screwing in archaic bits of glass." ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Re: [B7L] Request For Comment - Lyst Culture Guide
by Tavia 13 Mar '01

13 Mar '01

Kathryn wrote: >Please folks, can you comment on this and provide >suggestions and corrections. Interesting idea. I do wonder (and this is a genuine question) whether something like this won't simply ingrain certain Lyst values that aren't necessarily 100% ideal. >People don't tend to introduce themselves or welcome >newbies -- we just get on with the discussion. Please >don't consider this unfriendly; it's simply... focused. ...This habit (which I agree is currently in evidence) being one in point. Rather than incorporating it into the Lyst 'rule set' perhaps we should at least *consider* changing it? Perhaps we really *are* being unfriendly? The once-a-year 'everyone posts an introduction' idea on FC seemed quite fun to this (chatty) list-reader. Tavia

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Re: [B7L] Re: use of image
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 13 Mar '01

13 Mar '01

In a message dated 3/13/01 6:27:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, steve.rogerson(a)mcr1.poptel.org.uk writes: << However, if someone draws a picture of how they imagine someone to look nude, everyone knows that is really not them but an artist's impression (unless the drawing was so good it looked like a photograph), therefore the case for libel is not clear cut. I suspect from my knowledge of libel law that it would not stand up in court. >> Nude, or anything else. Here in the USA, it's quite common for the tabloids to 'doctor' photographs of well-known celebrities and politicians for their front pages, and make them look sick, dying, grossly overweight and an array of other things to compel the shopper to pick up a copy at the supermarket check-out. As far as I know, no lawsuit has ever been successfully brought over these images. The deliberately erroneous stories within? Definitely. Altered pics? No. Leah

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Re: [B7L] Re: copyright
by Tavia 13 Mar '01

13 Mar '01

Dana wrote: >It's fairly usual for TV and film scripts to be done either >as "works for hire" (copyrighted by the producing organization) >or for the copyright to start out with the creator but then >be assigned to the producing organization. It all depends on the precise details of the contract wording. (I had to check mine to make sure its wording didn't include fanfic.) Tavia

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