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Re: [B7L] Request For Comment - Lyst Culture Guide
by Harriet Monkhouse 14 Mar '01

14 Mar '01

Tavia replied to Mistral: >>One person's fun and friendly is another >> person's fluffy and emotionally invasive. > > Well, I've just done the late-at-night equivalent of walk > round the block and I still think this is an incredibly >hurtful thing to say. Is it any better if you try "One person's fluffy and emotionally invasive is another person's fun and friendly"? Mistral added: >I feel safe on the Lyst. And, most of the time, so do I. Harriere

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Re: [B7L] Request For Comment - Lyst Culture Guide
by Mac4781＠aol.com 14 Mar '01

14 Mar '01

Kathyrn wrot: > Guide to Lyst Culture <skip> > The TarrantNostra > ------------------ > > Yes, this one doesn't have odd acronyms but with such a cool name, who > needs them? <G> I agree that it's a way cool name. It's from the clever mind of Brooke Barker. > I believe this may be one of the oldest such group in B7 > fandom, but I could well be wrong, but I thought it predated the Lyst. I'd have to dig through files to get specific dates. I'd describe the TN as evolving from an informal group of Tarrant supporters to the group that launched On the Wing (the Tarrant APA), which is over ten years old. The "official" name of Tarrant Nostra came along a bit after that. > This group, is, obviously, those who favour Tarrant. Carol McCoy is > "The Godmother" of the the TarrantNostra; other members may not be so > clearly identified. Not even clearly identified by me because I'm a lazy recorder keeper. :) But our newest title holder is Penny Dreadful who was recently appointed to the position of Defender of Tarrant's Trousers. New members need only declare allegiance to join the ranks. And we've been known to try to drag in the unconverted as well. Carol Mc

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Request For Comment - Lyst Culture Guide
by Kathryn Andersen 14 Mar '01

14 Mar '01

Please folks, can you comment on this and provide suggestions and corrections. Considering what happened with Cheryl, I figure we need something like this. If folks are amenable, I can put it up on my web page. If Calle doesn't object, I can set something up to post it regularly (monthly?) to the Lyst. Guide to Lyst Culture ====================== composed by Kathryn Andersen version 0.1 Considering the number of newbies who have admitted to being nearly frightened away by the manner of folks on this list, and wondering how much larger the number who *were* frightened away, I figured it was a good idea to write a Gentle Introduction which will lift confusion and humanize these apparently terrifying denizens of these electronic halls. Me saw need, me wrote. If me make mistakes, please tell, so corrections entered. This is by no means meant to replace the actual Lyst FAQ (at <http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/b7list/FAQ.html>) but serve as an ajunct to it. What's this "Lyst" business? ============================= The mailing list <blakes7(a)lists.lysator.liu.se> was, so far as I know, the first Blake's 7 (electronic) mailing list to be created (and it also predates the newsgroup). Note the "lysator" in the address. Since there are other lists (most notably, the Other List), presumably to save having to say "the lysator List", a shorthand for that is simply "the Lyst". Our Esteemed Listowner, Calle, is not a woman. This doesn't stop people calling him "Cally", indeed, it would be almost irresistable not to, considering the subject of this List. Nobody outside his native country can actually pronounce his name correctly, but it may help those who want to try, to keep in mind that "Calle" comes from the same root as "Carl". Another intersting fact -- "lysator" means "liberator" in Calle's native tongue. Posting Style ============== Unlike many other lists, we don't tend to be chatty, and off-topic posts are (after a while) encouraged to go to the Spin-off list, so that we can get down to the serious business of discussing the political systems in B7 or the nature of terrorism or how teleportation works; or the lighthearted business of Avon's red leather trousers or what kind of ice cream the particular characters would prefer, or how to recast the series. People don't tend to introduce themselves or welcome newbies -- we just get on with the discussion. Please don't consider this unfriendly; it's simply... focused. If someone doesn't respond to your posting it could simply be because they agreed with it -- and didn't want to write a "me too" post. Odd Acronyms and Other Collections ================================== If you are confused by people referring to "the wrath of FINALACT" or suchlike, be confused no longer. As with many online fandoms, groups of likeminded fans often declare allegiance to their particular favourite characters, and form groups. Generally in order to be part of such a group... one simply declares oneself to be part of it. One doesn't have to be part of any group at all, and these groups are not meant to be taken deadly seriously either. Though some are more tongue-in-cheek than others. Often they are formed of those who consider their view to be a minority one. The TarrantNostra ------------------ Yes, this one doesn't have odd acronyms but with such a cool name, who needs them? I believe this may be one of the oldest such group in B7 fandom, but I could well be wrong, but I thought it predated the Lyst. This group, is, obviously, those who favour Tarrant. Carol McCoy is "The Godmother" of the the TarrantNostra; other members may not be so clearly identified. F.I.N.A.L.A.C.T. ---------------- This stands for ? These are the fans who prefer Brian Croucher's Travis, aka Travis II. They have a tendency to threaten detractors with The Comfy Chair, Kareoke music and Teletubby torture. G.I.T.H.O.G. ------------ This stands for ? These are the fans who prefer Stephen Grief's Travis, aka Travis I. They appear to be less active than FINALACT, probably because they don't percieve themselves to be in the minority. A.S.K.S. -------- Avon's Sympathetic Kindred Spirits go against the flow of Avon fans because they don't give a fig whether he looks sexy in black leather, they just identify with him. Kathryn Andersen made up this acronym, so she is presumably the founding member. Gareth's Gorillas ----------------- Fans who are into Gareth Thomas and his work, as distinct from just being interested in Blake (though they are interested in Blake too). Chief Gorilla is Judith Proctor. One may see them at cons wearing "Gareth's Gorilla" badges. Gan's ??? --------- Those who appreciate the unsung and oft under-appreciated Olag Gan. Judith Proctor goes around distributing oak leaves to those who stand up for Gan and say nice things about him. Followers of the Goddess ------------------------ The concept of the Golden Goddess Soolin, her Acolyte Dayna, and the Chief Hairdresser Vila was the invention of Lindley, now no longer with us. But worth a mention anyway. Sickly Equines =============== Certain topics have a habit of coming up over and over again. I'm reluctant to call them dead horses, because it can be the case that a newbie can actually offer new insight that nobody's thought of before, and pass the hand of healing over what was once assumed to be a corpse. - Hey, Maybe Avon Shot Blake's Clone! - Was Blake a Freedom Fighter Or A Terrorist? Should Blake Have Destroyed Star One? - Avon Was Mad (No He Wasn't) Hot Topics ========== One topic which is pretty much guaranteed to start the fires burning no matter how nicely and calmly people may start the discussion, is slash. If you don't know what slash is, don't worry, since you probably don't want to argue about it either. A summary of the pro-slash position is at ?? A summary of the anti-slash position is at <http://www.katspace.com/b7/slashsum.html> Any topic can raise the temperature if it is pursued obnoxiously enough. There has been steam coming out of ears over - whether Deliverance is Sexist - posting style - con reports - religion just to name a few. But don't let that scare you off, we're generally quite calm and rational... Signs that a thread has gone on too long at too high a temperature are - posters start repeating themselves (worst case, reposting earlier posts of their own) - postings degenerate into a "he said, she said" discection of why what so-and-so said was insulting. INTJ? INT*? Huh? ================== Back in ?? someone (who?) first brought up the idea of figuring out the Meyers-Brigs (personality) Type Indicator for each of the characters. Much discussion ensued, and many people went off to <http://www.kiersey.com> to take the personality tests there to figure out their own type. Of those who took the tests and actually reported back, the majority appeared to be either INTJ or INTP types (and, oddly enough, the consensus was that Avon was either an INTJ or an INTP). This probably explains why the posting style of the list appears so unfriendly -- half of us are closet Avons. Some people are sick of this topic. Others remain fascinated by it. Penguins? What's that got to do with B7? ========================================= The connection between penguins and B7 can only be explained by the one who discovered the sinister conspiracy in the first place. URL? -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen <kat(a)foobox.net> / \ | <http://www.katspace.com> \_.--.*/ | v | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe

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Re: [B7L] the future of programming
by Tavia 14 Mar '01

14 Mar '01

Steve wrote: >The average mind doesn't consider a system in its >entirety. Instead, when making changes, the >relevant subsystem is considered. It's not difficult >to break something elsewhere because of unforeseen >interactions, similar to how a user breaks something >because they use it in an unexpected way. But what about the well-above-average mind (assuming for the sake of discussion that Avon is one such)? Certainly in my field, the ability to understand complex systems in their totality is rather useful. >There's a *huge* difference between someone who writes >a database application - the definition of the data, how >it's retrieved, what operations are available to the user - >and the person who administrates the database system. Somehow I don't see Avon as the Nth Century equivalent of a database programmer. Tavia

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Re: [B7L] Request For Comment - Lyst Culture Guide
by Alison Page 14 Mar '01

14 Mar '01

Neil said - >But the one to blame is actually Alison Page. Seriously. She was the onewho suggested a Sinister Alien Conspiracy behind the events of the entireseries, and I just >decided to ... er ... take the piss out of it. Sorry,Alison. Well that went right over my head I must say. Pleased to be of service. (sob) Alison ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com **********************************************************************

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re: the future of programming
by Alison Page 14 Mar '01

14 Mar '01

Betty said - >>Minor nitpick: that's Vernor Vinge. Just a typo. The strange thing is I never noticed it at all, and I must have re-read that email half a dozen times before I sent it, looking for them (I know what I'm like). >Good book, though I liked _A Fire Upon the Deep_ better. Yes. I was talking to Calle about it at 'Redemption'. If anyone has got this book to hand, I'd be interested in reading the description of the little lonely world on the edge of the galaxy where the human scientists have a base - right at the start - because it reminds me of star one. > The only problem I can see is that, for someone coming from a > background where that's how things are done, programming something > totally alien, like Zen, would seem next to impossible. Yeah, I can't think of a solution to that Alison ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com **********************************************************************

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Fwd: Re: [B7L] Avon's conviction (was Recent slash discussions etc)
by Kanna Ophelia 14 Mar '01

14 Mar '01

Someone has a new mail program and has been sending her replies to individuals rather than the Lyst - sorry. <g> > Marian: > > > In Space Fall Vila only mentions the bank fraud, not the dead visa > > seller. The Ultra also only mention the fraud. This leads me to believe > > that Avon was only convicted for the fraud, not for the killing (which, a > > capable lawyer could argue, was in self defence as the visa seller shot > > first). > > Possibly the authorities > > a) didn't regard the killing of the visa seller as bad as the fraud, and > > decided to prosecute Avon only for the "graver" crime; > > That's how I see it... The Federation does not seem to particularly value > human life, while money maketh the dictatorship go round... > > This killing actually really troubles me, being a killing my a civilian on the > run rather than as part of the whole rebellion deal. (Not that those killings > don't trouble me too, on occaison.) It's ironic as "Gold," which has even less > justifiable killings, is one of my favourite episodes.... I guess I just like > to see the first season crew as fairly innocent and idealistic - Jenna and > Avon's careful cynicism aside - while by the fourth season, the crew - except > perhaps for Vila - seems far less morally grounded and more erratic and > desperate and self-interested to me. (This is not necessarily a bad thing for > the show, just - different.) > > It might also explain Avon's answer to the whole "Could you ever kill someone" > thing - if this was the first life he took, it may not yet be something he has > come to terms with. Perhaps saying, "oh, yeah, I offed someone who got in my > way before I was captured" would make him look tougher, but assuming he still > feels some kind of shock and guilt, I can imagine him not wanting to admit to > it. Later, of course, when the body count had mounted up... > > I think it's more likely that he didn't want to admit to a murder - and I see > it as murder - than that he made it up later to seem tough/devoted to Anna. > > XXX Kanna-Ophelia > Femmeslash: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/femmeslash > The Pokeslash Playground: www.tvheaven.pokemon.com > Diversion Tactics: > www.geocities.com/diversiontactics > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using One.Net's Mail Man. > http://mailman.one.net.au --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using One.Net's Mail Man. http://mailman.one.net.au

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Re: Lyst Culture Guide
by Andrew Williams 14 Mar '01

14 Mar '01

Una wrote: >Steve wrote: >> And Una and I may one day form a group supporting the episode Animals >>SCAM: Society for Crushing Animals Maligners. (It's late and I'm tired.) Dedicated to the art of Justinification (justifying Justin)?

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Re: Lyst Culture Guide
by Steve Rogerson 14 Mar '01

14 Mar '01

I belive the Gan group is called: The Gan Defence League And Una and I may one day form a group supporting the episode Animals -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent The 25th Anniversary Blake's 7 Convention The 10th Anniversary Babylon 5 Convention http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Re: [B7L] Re: copyright
by Ashton7＠aol.com 14 Mar '01

14 Mar '01

In a message dated 3/13/01 8:30:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, una(a)qresearch.org.uk writes: << It is in this case - see my post on the way these things were handled at the time at the BBC. >> It sounds like, though, this is more a contractual thing with the BBC and its writers than any form of universal UK copyright law. Annie

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