Blakes7 March 2001

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RE: [B7L] reasons
by Louise Rutter 26 Mar '01

26 Mar '01

Shane wrote: >But there are Muslims and Muslims, too. Some Muslims interpret the Koran in >a very strict and literalistic way; some don't. Bosnian Muslims live a much >different lifestyle to Afghan Muslims and Saudi Arabians, and all of these >live much different lifestyles to Cat Stevens. But none of them are any less >Muslims, and if any one of these objected to the portrayal of their >religion, you can't just say "Oh, but the others aren't objecting, so it's >OK." But to continue this analogy, since Muslims cannot agree amongst themselves what their religion entails, then isn't whatever I write going to be considered wrong by somebody? And since I cannot write about it at all without causing someone to object, should that take away my right to write it? >Well, yes and no. I wasn't so much thinking of the rainbow-Lycra-and-quiff >crowd when I was talking about lifestyle, though I can see how you might >have interpreted it that way. What I meant is that it's a very different >thing to share your house and life with a man than with a woman, and some of >these differences are really very subtle. And on this subject I haven't enough knowledge to comment - I have shared a house platonically with a female friend but I guess that doesn't really count. Louise

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DVD7
by Hill, Garry 26 Mar '01

26 Mar '01

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Re: [B7L] Homophobia
by Marian de Haan 26 Mar '01

26 Mar '01

Annie wrote: >Exactly. It is an insult and I certainly took it that way.< I took it as an honest opinion. And yes, I'm aware that as an unmarried mother I fall in the "immoral" category. So what? I can respect the opinions of Kathryn and Ellynne, even though I'm obviously not sharing them :-) It would be something else if they'd try to expell all "sinners" form the lyst or something like that, but nobody has been suggesting that. It's true that opinions sometimes get stated as facts ("slash *is* wrong" instead of "to me slash feels wrong") but that is something both sides are guilty of. The two - IMO - most controversial statements in this debate came from the pro-slash side and were both presented as facts rather than opinions. (I mean the assertions that One must have sex to behave in a natural way, and that Fans long to bear their idol's children and need to compensate for that by making/looking at obscene drawings of said idol.) >Calling slash "character assassination" is also more likely to be perceived as an insult than an opening to a discussion.< But to me slash really feels like character assassination. It *hurts* to see my beloved characters being twisted in that way. I'm sorry if this upsets you, but it is the way I feel about it. (For the record: I have no moral objections to same sex relationships. Nor do I want to censor anyone or stop people writing slash.) I believe you were the one who said that slash isn't going to disappear because some persons don't like it's existance, so those persons will simply have to lump it. Very true, and the same principle applies here. People aren't going to stop voicing their objections to slash. If you don't like what they're saying, well - you'll have to lump it :-) >And then folks wonder why lists like Freedom City have to exist and why there can't be open discussion among fans about slash.< I thought we were in the middle of one. >Personally, I don't give a flying flip if someone else doesn't like slash, whatever their reasons.< Which doesn't seem to provide much scope for discussion :-) >It's not like anyone is forcing you to read said "character assassination" against your will. If you don't like it, don't read it. Problem solved.< True, but the topic is a bit difficult to avoid on the lyst, right now. Marian

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Re: [B7L] Biology, culture and the crush
by Tavia 26 Mar '01

26 Mar '01

On the subject of character identification, I suspect that age of encounter is important. Characters encountered during early childhood are more likely to turn into role models, while those encountered during puberty are more likely to become sex symbols. Adults might have a more complex response, depending on whether their current circumstances left them in more need of role models, sex symbols or more-intellectual stimulation.... My guess as to the reasons for my personal long-term Avonic addiction would be inoculation aged 8 or so (first UK showing), followed by re-inoculation in my mid-teens (UK repeats). Tavia (who never evinced any desire to have PD's children)

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Re: [B7L] Re: Use of image
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 26 Mar '01

26 Mar '01

In a message dated 3/18/01 2:54:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, huh(a)ccm.net writes: << I'd be entirely surprised if any of the main actors failed to know slash existed- and of course slash has been covered in the press as well. >> Most actors and actresses nowadays are aware of the existence of both adult hetero and slash art and fanfic on the web (as well as elsewhere). They generally ignore it as part of the down side of celebrity. For one thing, celebrity itself is an adaptation of the human process for selecting a mate, albeit an unattainable one. When one falls in love with a celebrity, the chemical process of 'love' has been triggered toward an individual one wants to mate and bond with for purposes of procreation. Fanfic, fan art or any other sort of fantasy that satisfies that unattainable bond is inevitable, and has existed since that burly 'head of the tribe' first rose to prominence. It only took on the odd characteristics that we know it for now since popular media made it possible for many women to know about one exceptionally good-looking or talented man (and vice versa for a female celebrity and many men). No one seems to be immune, whether we label it something harmless like a 'crush' or worry that it's reached a dangerous obsession. Bill Hupe used to agent and sell thousands of fanzine titles out of a central location, here in the US. One of this best regular customers was an actress who had been popular herself on DR. WHO. The woman had standing instructions with Bill to set aside any fanzines fitting a certain category of 'Slash' , and she would periodically write a big check and have them all shipped to her. Isn't anyone here aware of 'boy-band' fanfic on the web? Thousands of teens, unable to realistically have a relationship with the boy groups they idolize, are writing and posting adult fanfic and slash about groups like N' Synch and the others. The groups are well aware of it, and seem to use it as a guage of their popularity. If there was something that was going to be done about this kind of thing, it would have been done a long time ago. Leah

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Re: Unlikely lust objects
by Steve Rogerson 26 Mar '01

26 Mar '01

Shane said: "a character on a TV show' also includes unlikely lust objects such as Orac and Giroc" You really must read more fanfic Shane. Orac's ended up in some quite juicy stories. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent The 25th Anniversary Blake's 7 Convention The 10th Anniversary Babylon 5 Convention http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Servalan website
by David "Servalan" Walsh 26 Mar '01

26 Mar '01

Hello All I am totally revamping my alternative Servalan website, I have a lot of photo's of myself as Servalan with you all out there. I just want to check nobody has any objections to me using them. Even if you think I may not have your photo, there is a very good chance that I do, as some of them go all the way back to Who's7.94. Lots of feedback would be much appreciated. Thanks David Servalan Walsh -- David "Servalan" Walsh The Alternative Servalan servalan(a)alternativeservalan.com

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Re: [B7L] reasons
by Shane Little 26 Mar '01

26 Mar '01

Alison wrote > Shane and Fiona effectively made the same point I think - > > >But this isn't getting rid of the feelings of shame though, it's just > >displacing them. > > I like the idea that women should feel more relaxed about their own > feelings, but we don't live in a world of perfect political struggle. People > want to enjoy themselves, and there has to be room for both challenging the > conventions of society (for them that want to) and fun. And people have to > have fun in ways that accommodate the imperfections of the world we actually > live in. We can't wait until everything is right before we start enjoying > ourselves. No, but we can change our mindset, and IMO one way to do this is to create fictional universes in which women can do whatever the hell they like. > >But is it still deemed 'bad' if a gay man does it? > > To women, in general, I'd say not (though there are obvious exceptions). I > think women generally feel much less anxiety around male sexual expression > than around their own, and that extends to gay men. This is just my > impression. Fair enough, but it has also been said that slash denies gay identity (i.e. the stories along the lines of "Blake's not gay, he just has sex with Avon") and doesn't give much of a voice to lesbians, or address the real political issues which I'm sure gay people face even in a future society. I know, it's all a fantasy, but IMO it raises some disturbing questions about RL politics. Shane "Resist the host or your oneness will be absorbed!" --Zil Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015

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Re: Candy
by Shane Little 26 Mar '01

26 Mar '01

Julia wrote: >However, back to the >discussion in hand. There's nothing wrong with a balanced diet, but >you're coming over as saying that people shouldn't eat candy at all. No I'm not. Ask Dana Shilling. I have a great deal of respect for Tavia, Dana, and several others who put out some well-crafted stuff. This doesn't stop me from objecting to other aspects of slash (artwork, gay lifestyle issues, etc.) It's annoying people who like a bit of >candy in a varied diet, as well as the (IMHO and experience) few who >like candy and nothing but candy. The former is certainly true for most on the lyst, but I've noticed a few rotten teeth around here as well. Shen "Whoosh!" --Pursuit Ship Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015

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Re [B7L] Homophobia
by Fiona Moore 26 Mar '01

26 Mar '01

>From: Harriet Monkhouse <hflysator(a)jarriere.demon.co.uk> >To: Blake's 7 Lysator <blakes7(a)lists.lysator.liu.se> >Ah, but that's it. The people who keep asking me to admit that my >perception of homo-eroticism in B7 is something I've wilfully grafted on >to the programme, and don't really believe myself, are asking *me* to >lie and pretend. I don't expect you to lie, but I don't see why I >should either There's a difference between perception and visual evidence. I don't think anybody was denying your *beliefs,* but I don't think belief was ever the issue :). Fiona The Posthumous Memoirs of Secretary Rontane Available for public perusal at http://nyder.r67.net _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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