Blakes7 February 2001

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Re: [B7L] Was it something I said :-)
by Sally Manton 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

Cheryl wrote: <Naturally, I do not expect every one of my posts to be responded to, that would be an unrealistic expectation but so is everyone's assumption that newcomers don't have the 'newbie' jitters and that they are quite content to have one sided conversations until someone decides to respond to their awkward prattle.> <gurgle> trying to recall - I think my first post was on the subject of red leather ... and the second was a shy-and-shrinking eight paragraph This Is How I See My Darling marathon (you were probably all thinking "where the hell did *this* come from???"). I do not seem to have changed very much ... So tell us, Cheryl - how do you feel about Jarriere? (Trust me, that name will usually get a reaction from those of us with discrimination tastes) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] liking 'character'
by Sally Manton 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

Leah/Neil/Leah <a bit snipped for brevity :-)> <Fans don't write fanfic about characters and plot elements they feel were 'mishandled'. You seldom see much of that. Again, I feel it's simply ignored.> <Like, say, the Orbit shuttle? ... Or the cellar scene in Rumours? Or Avon's final showdown with Blake?> <I think maybe we are misinterpreting the word 'mishandled'. The terrible events you cite aren't mishandling. They are high drama, melodrama, script choices. We may or may not agree with them, but they were deliberate.> And they're the scenes which - from my reading - probably generate the *most* fanfic (how many post-Orbit wallows or re-writes to get Avon off the hook *have* their been? How many fans feel the need to rewrite that scene in the tracking room?) IMO those three would probably be among - if not topping - the list of B7 bits that *most* contributed to its cult status (especially 'Blake'.) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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[B7] fannishness
by olddays＠idirect.com 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

Hi, all. Sally wrote, in part: <<Is there anyone out there who *does* watch B7 or another show at least partly (and large-part, please) for one of the minor characters, with little interest in the majors?>> Hmmmm... great question! Let's see, for B7, it's mostly for Avon and the interaction of Avon and Vila, Avon and Cally, Avon and... well, you get the idea. :) However, for The Equalizer ('80's show with Edward Woodward as ex-spy guy Robert McCall) (okay, Equaliser for you British/U.K./Wales kind), I started watching to see Robert Lansing (whom I'd been enjoying on Kung Fu: The Legend Continues), but instead ended up totally hooked on Keith Szarabajka as Mickey Kostmayer (hey, he counts as minor, I suppose... was in 4 episodes in the first season, but by the fourth and last season, he had Also Starring billing, and was in 17 out of the 22 episodes. KF: TLC, Robert Lansing as Captain Paul Blaisdell and Scott Wentworth as ex-merc., 'puter hacker genius Kermit Griffin were the reasons I watched it (okay, Chris Potter was also easy on the eyes). Another show I'd watch sometimes was Hercules: The Legendary Journeys, but more to see Iolaus (Michael Hurst) (and yes, the original Iolaus, *not* the knock-off from the alternate universe the show was lumbered with!) then Herc. Re: Xena and Joxer, haven't watched it in a few years, but is it another kill-off-the-character, bring-him-back-for the season-finale? (okay, series finale) like Iolaus in Herc? Oh, and a useful website, if one can't get one's email client <kicks Pegasus Mail> to work: www.mail2web.com lets one check one's email; that's how I'm sending this message, after typing it up in Wordpad, then cutting and pasting it into the mail form. Anna -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ .

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Re: [B7L] fannishness
by Ashton7＠aol.com 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/17/01 5:19:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, N.Faulkner(a)tesco.net writes: << This factor might be true for female fans, but even then I'm not sure that it stands up with Buffy and Xena, who seem (though I may be wrong) to have a sizable female following. I can, though, see how B and X might appeal to women as attractive role models (and presumably some women might be sexually attracted to them just as some men might have the hots for Avon or Spock) >> Buffy and Xena *do* have male characters that the female fans tend to like, though. In Buffy, there are Spike, Angel, Xander, Riley, Oz and Giles, all of whom have their rabid fan followings. In Xena, Joxer and Ares immediately come to mind. Now, I happen to also like the female leads (and their sidekicks) in those particular shows, but that doesn't change the fact that there are also plenty of males to be "attracted" to as well. Annie

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Was it something I said :-)
by Cheryl _ 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

To Sally, Neil, Anna and Ellynne, I have just come across your posts - I had to leave the computer for a while and I honestly thought that Minnie had been the only response, I saw that was not the case when I returned. I don't want to bore everyone with a page of responses and hope it is okay to respond on this one post. I appreciate the comments with regards to why my posts were not being answered and also other points.

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Re: [B7L] Re: fandom
by Ellynne G. 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

Been thinking over the reasons for fandom. Here's my two cents. To Be Continued - For the urge to write fanfiction, this is one of the most important phrases around, that week or season spent stewing and wondering _what_ will happen - and coming up with your own answers. Closely related to this are eps like Orbit, Blake, and Rumours where you have what seems like a very long time to consider the many ways a scene might work out (and are sitting on the edge of your seat wondering). Interesting characters and situations? Yes, also important. I have to admit, however, a character could be relatively flat and, if there was the right 'hook' to them, I'd probably be sucked right into the show. Loose ends or those unsatisfactory explanations? Gotta love 'em. Oh, and let's not forget shows that were flawed (NOT B7, of course) that could have been done better (I keep having this urge to 'fix' Return of the Jedi and Phantom Menace [and I'm not up to it, believe me]). With a lot of 'realistic' shows, I don't get this. There's this part of me going, "Oh, it's one of _those_ stories." Besides, there are the inbuilt limits. Will Perry Mason ever be on the supreme court and seriously alter trial legislation? Dream on. Did Gomer Pyle end the cold war? Would the cast of JAG _fail_ to save the president? For that matter, do they ever get off the island on Gilligan or does Jethro go to school and get an IQ? But _could_ Blake defeat the Federation? Or could Servalan win? And might Avon ever join the other side? Could we ever learn something about a character that would serioulsy alter how we view them? I guess what it comes down to is something in the brain going, "Hmm, what if . . . ." Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Re: [B7L] Was it something I said :-)
by Ellynne G. 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

On Sun, 18 Feb 2001 12:08:36 +1100 (EST) =?iso-8859-1?q?Cheryl=20=5F?= <avonsgirl(a)yahoo.com.au> writes: > I like Blake's 7 - I thought I'd like to talk to other > Blake seven fans about the show, so I decided to join > a mailing list. When I first posted and said hello to > you all, and received no response (although, I will > add, I have since been welcomed by one person) First, I have enjoyed your posts. Second, welcome. Third, it's that crowd mentality thing. Trust me, if everyone on the list replied to each posting, we'd all stop subscribing because we wouldn't have the time to go through, read, and delete. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Blakes7 & detective stories
by Ellynne G. 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

> > What might be even more fundamental is that the detective genre is > about the > > establishment (the detective, professional or freelance) taking on > the > > forces of chaos and disorder (crime, social disruption), whereas > in fanfic > > the focus is normally on those forces of chaos, ie; outside the > > establishment. > I read once that, starting in the 30's, British mysteries were dominated by the intellectual, civilized sleuth (Poirot and Miss Marple types). American mysteries in that era were dominated by the gumshoe, a tough guy who understands the criminal mind because he has one and who solves cases partly through brute force and partly because he has a paranoid disposition that might make Avon a bit uncomfortable (Sam Spade, in The Maltese Falcon, has no trouble imagining the woman he's fallen for might have killed his partner in cold blood, her husband, or anyone else. He also doesn't see that as necessarily a barrier to seeing her in 20 years when she gets out of prison - but he's still going to make sure she serves the sentence, not him [RoD would be rather different with him]). Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Character junnkie vs. other attractions
by Sally Manton 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

Neil wrote: (Now, how to go about converting Sally. This wil rekwire the suptle approche, sines of flatery boxis of chocklits flours pretending to luv (chiz) whizzo computer feend ect ...> Hey, bribery will probably do just fine, I'm infinitely corruptible where chocolate's concerned ... OTOH, [a] speaking as someone so hardened she looks for A-B moments in Ultraworld and DeathWatch, you may have to arrange for someone to hide my treasured 2nd-season tapes; [b] are you sure you *want* me to take a deeper and considerable more loquacious interest in the non-junkie threads, Neil? Are you really really sure you'd want to *read* it? And you don't *have* to love My Darling - as long as threads follow Sue Clerc's rule ("Any topic not directly about Avon will mutate into an Avon-centered discussion within a maximum of 5 posts.") I'm happy :-) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Was it something I said :-)
by Sally Manton 17 Feb '01

17 Feb '01

Cheryl wrote: <I have wasted precious time, giving you all the benefit of the doubt, by posting enough posts, to be sure I actually was being ignored -> Ummm ... hardly :-) It's the nature of mailing lists, innit? People do respond to some posts and not to others, for all sorts of reasons - not interested in the thread; agreed with everything in the post and don't like to just write 'me too'; disagreed violently with everything in the post and is out walking off a head of steamy invective; someone *else* has said what I was going to in response to another someone else's post that came in just before a third someone else's ... mean to answer but damnitall am running late for work and have forgotten brilliant riposte by the time I get home. etc, etc Doesn't help that you seem to have joined us at the very time one particular thread went into overdrive (the D-one) and everyone was exhausting their typing fingers over sexism, phalluses and Avon Behaving Badly (no I'm not saying that's *your* fault :-) but I for one was so busy explaining why I Still Thought I Was Right that I mostly only answered people who disagreed with me). Look on the bright side. Try posting *six* posts in one evening and not getting so much as a peep from the *lot* (I decided that as the key phrases penguins, leather trousers or Jarriere weren't in there, I shouldn't get offended by the deafening silence :-)) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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