Blakes7 February 2001

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Starfleet Ball pix
by Steve Rogerson 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

Pictures from Starfleet Ball are now up on my web site, including a few of Paul Darrow and Jacqueline Pearce. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption: The Blake's 7 and Babylon 5 convention 23-25 February 2001, Ashford, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Re: [B7L] Was it something I said :-)
by Sally Manton 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

Neil wrote: <I've just resorted my inbox to make a quick count - you have posted 5 times this month prior to this (not entirely unjustified) complaint, compared with me (98 posts), Dana (69), Tavia (44), Sally (68), Helen (66) and Fiona (70 - grud on a greenie, I beat her!),> 68??? Ouch. No wonder my virtual throat is sore. I just checked on Calle's web page, so far this month we've had 953 posts this month ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] fannishness
by Mac4781＠aol.com 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

Sally wrote: > I think it's a fair one, though. There's the Tarrant Nostra - would their > members go on record as having an interest in 'Interesting and/or attractive > protagonists', even though Toothy is neither central nor second lead? (well, > not IMHO - for 3rd/4th season, Vila is). Then there's the Servie fans ... It depends on what you mean by second lead. If it's by the credits, didn't Jenna get second billing at least some of the time in the early seasons? If it's by screen time/number of lines, I have to think Tarrant will squeeze ahead of Vila. He had major roles in episodes more often than Vila (who was often back home on teleport duty). But neither of those is how I judge second lead, it's by position in the pecking order. And that's quite clearly Tarrant in 3rd/4th seasons, except for the times in early third season when he was first in the pecking order (while Avon was trying to remain apart from any pecking order). Vila was more often--to drag a term from GALAXY QUEST--comic relief. Though happily B7 was never so simplistic as to have caricatures. So while Vila was frequently comic relief, he also got to play competent and heroic on occasion. One of the reasons B7 has such staying power (for me) is because its dynamics were intriguingly different from your average band of action/adventure heroes. Cheryl, I'm sorry you felt unwelcome. When new people introduce themselves, there generally are at least a few members who have time to jump in and say hello (and that varies depending on posters' individual time demands at the moment). Unfortunately, you slipped through the cracks. I hope you'll get a lot of enjoyment from the list. Carol Mc

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Was it something I said :-)
by Cheryl _ 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

Okay, here goes and I promise, this will be the final word from me on this and then I think I'll just do as Neil suggested and sit back for a while - it will give me a chance to get over the whole embarrassing episode and everyone else a break from what must surely by now be fast becoming a boring topic. I had no idea, that my post would generate such a response - tell you what I did expect - one or two people, telling me to do just what I said they should have done (towards the end of my post) :-) As I have already explained - I got it wrong - and I have apologised for this, I really don't know what else to say.

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Re: [B7L] Patriarchy (Was: Deliverance)
by Tavia Chalcraft 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

Fiona: >although Servalan may be President, all of her rivals, >staff and subordinates (with a single exception) do appear >to be male. Off the top of my head, women in reasonably senior positions in Federation Civil Admin or military include Major Thania, Governor LeGrande, Kasabi, the Arbiter and Alta Morag in The Way Back. Two additional potential biasing factors suggest that there may be a greater proportion of woman than this might suggest: (1) We mainly see (the military) Space Command not the Earth (civil) equivalent; there may well be more woman in the civil administration compared with military, there may also be more women on Earth cf on space station (2) Servalan may gather men around her as subordinates, for whatever reason (liking pretty ones or feeling more comfortable around men?); furthermore, the politcos we see visit S may have been chosen to be ones she would listen to as equals or superiors, again potentially biasing by gender Tavia

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Re: [B7L] fannishness
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/17/01 2:35:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, dshilling(a)worldnet.att.net writes: << But I'd say, au contraire, it's an enjoyable corporate extension of a media property--it would be a monument to a fandom if it was in somebody's basement in Peoria and she spent 10 years putting it together, or whatever. << Ah, but if it weren't for the ST fans, there would be no corporate extension, no ongoing property, no *industry* of STAR TREK, much less a steady stream of devotees who slap down money every day to enjoy this incredible attraction in Las Vegas. They would never bother. If there were no fandom, there would have been no ST beyond the reruns. >> I watched my first B7 tape because of Jenkins, and I still think he's right--fandom is the assertion that the real story of the show belongs to the people who love it, not the people who (by a mere technicality) happen to have a TV studio. >> No argument about that from me. I am, however, currently conducting a debate about that point with a couple of the writers who worked on HIGHLANDER, over at alt.tv.Highlander. They insist that the opinion of the fans is irrelevant, and that we ought never be polled about what we want to see on a show in that universe. Sure. What do *we* know? As far as the professional producers, cast and staff are concerned, we're lucky they're doing anything for us at all. I suspect the same applies to the staff and crew of most series. That we'd better like what they do, because they know best. Leah

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Re: [B7L] Re: fandom
by Deborah Day 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

This email was delivered to you by The Free Internet, a Business Online Group company. http://www.thefreeinternet.net --------------------------------------------------------------- >Why wouldn't Avon want to see The Matrix? Why would Vila want to see >it? I would have thought Benny Hill was more Vila's style... Now there's a thought ... although I think Vila would BE Benny Hill!. And I dont think I got a welcome to the list either when I joined last year, or was it the year before? Debbie (going back to lurking)

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Re: [B7L] fannishness
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

Okay, Neil; I'll conclude this debate by sharpening this down to as fine a point as possible. It's all about Sex. Leah (Tongue firmly in cheek)

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Re: [B7L] fannishness
by Sally Manton 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

Mistral wrote: <If Blake had destroyed the Federation and set up a new, democratic form of government, would there be anything left to write about 20 years later?> Course there would - he and Avon would still be arguing up hill and down dale, wouldn't they <g>? PS - see Suzanne Lovett, Gemini Rising, for a lovely example of them doing precisely *that* ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Blakes7 & detective stories
by Blenkarn 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

Hi I've been away for a few days and see I have missed a discussion on detectives. By co-incidence I've written five short parodies on Mission to Destiny, including an Agatha Christie and a Raymond Chandler version, in my new zine. Does this mean I have unwittingly happened on the spirit of the age and someome will buy it? I shall have to alter my flyer now. Cheers Chris Blenkarn

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