You again?????
Steve Kilbane wrote
Steve Kilbane wrote:
Me, then Jenny:
> >And as I've stated elsewhere, this is not guaranteed.
But it can't be ruled out either.
Agreed. It's a possibility. It's also *less* likely as a
possibility
than possibility that it causing random failures. So don't treat it as an immutable fact.
You are wrong. It is an immutable fact.
Well, you've just agreed that it's not guaranteed, which makes it a strange immutable fact. But just to clear this up, exactly *where* in the script does someone say:
"Gan's limiter has stopped working, and his behaviour is now exactly as it was before the limiter was fitted."
It's in the series subtext.
If that declaration isn't in there, then you're not necessarily correct.
No. It just means that you don't understand subtexts.
I think I know.
I.e., it's just your opinion.
No. It is an immutable fact.
From then on, to the point where an expert in the field
> >declares > >that it's fixed, all bets are off.
And what bets would these be then?
Those on any behaviour of Gan's being in any way related to his behaviour before the limiter was implanted. You remember - the same thing I've been talking about in this thread.
Just about. But you do gad about so...
An expert who declares Gan a psychopath.
Irrelevant to the reliability of the limiter, before he fixes it.
Why are you playing these games?
Sorry, which games?
As I thought. You have no game plan at all.
I'm just sticking to one tiny, little aspect, which
is the amount of certainty the viewer can have over the behaviour of the limiter, while it's not functioning correctly. I'm just disregarding anything that does not directly affect that one tiny, little, aspect.
It's the double game Steve, that the writers are playing. But if you take something out of its context, you can make it mean anything you like.
We know when the limiter malfunctions, we know what happened before, we know what happens after. Surely we're intelligent enough to infer from what we see.
But, in terms of the limiter's behaviour in the middle, we don't "see" anything, because no-one gives us a clear definition of what it's doing, while broken.
Ever wondered why?
All you *can* say, reliably, is that
> >you can't trust what's going on in there, because there's an
unknown
factor > >that *might* be influencing things in an unpredictable
manner.
That's absolutely right. But only right in the sense in which it
relates
to
that particular episode.
Only in the sense that you can't reliably infer anything from Gan's behaviour during the majority of that episode.
Actually you can.
Well, you've agreed above that there's an unknown factor that might be influencing factors in an unpredictable manner.
No I didn't.
If you're willing to base
anything on something that unknown, then feel free. It's a flawed equation, but if it makes you happy, go ahead.
You're talking bollocks again Steve.
And Kayne says he is a psychopath.
So? I'm not disagreeing. Still has no effect on what you know about the limiter.
Yes it does.
So let's discount it as a episode
contributing towards or against any theory about Gan's character,
shall
we?
So you're saying that an episode focused on Gan says nothing about his character?
No, I'm saying that for the majority of this particular episode, it's unfair to consider Gan's behaviour to be any indication of what his behaviour was like, before the limiter was inserted.
Well, we'll see. When this lyst has reached Breakdown, I'll do an analysis of the subtext and see what I can come up with.
Oh well, then, I guess Rumours of Death reveals nothing about Avon either.
Depends. Tell me where it says Avon's got a piece of metal in his head
that
might be messing around with his brain functions for most of it, and I'll concede that those sections of the episode cannot be used as reliable indicators.
What colour is the sky on your planet Steve? Deliberately misunderstanding a point isn't answering it.
Jenny
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