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RE: [B7L] Language
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

Leia Fee wrote: > >I did have Vila say "Oh, bugger!" but changed it because it > just didn't sound right. > > Ah the correct use of the word bugger is obviously a uniquely > British skill > ;-) Australians and New Zealanders say "Oh, bugger!" when something goes wrong, even more so after a popular ad featuring a farmer who said it a lot. It just didn't sound right for Vila or any other B7 character to say it. I changed it to the weak "Oh, no!" which admittedly Vila did say a lot. I can also see him saying "Oh, damn!" but not "Oh, hell!" Not sure why. Nico *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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RE: [B7L] Re: Language and mums
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

Dana Shilling wrote: > Replying to Nico: > > I love the idea of Vila beginning every e-mail > with "Hi, mum, I am not dead at the bottom of a > cliff." Further to that, in my story he does e-mail her after 'Rescue': Dear Mum, No, I'm not dead at the bottom of a cliff, but I almost was. And I have him fall down a cliff on Del Ten (under low gravity) and send her a photo of himself sprawled at the bottom (taken by Avon from the top). It's meant to allay her fears - "Hey, look, it happened finally and I'm all right!" - but of course makes them worse. How common is this particular fear among mothers? I got it constantly from mine when I was overseas. Is it a standard mother cliche? Nico *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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RE: [B7L] Language
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

Leia Fee wrote: > > Nico said... > >I'm even loath to have Vila use 'sod' or 'bastard' (which > >I have done) as it was never in the series. > > Not on a pre-watershed programme, nope. ;-) Um, that's when swearing was allowed on TV at a guess? Am I right? > I can hear Vila saying something on the lines of 'oh sod it' though. So can I! > I think he's have to be quite worked up to use bastard. Oh I don't know, depends on how he says it. He could say in a resigned way "You really are a bastard, Avon." And he could think it. > And there are a > number of the crew he's got plenty of ( err *non* slash) > reasons to call a > 'daft bugger' or similar as 'bugger' is regularly used by most > Brits without > any of it's literal meaning attached. I did have him say "Oh, bugger!" but changed it because it just didn't sound right. Hey, maybe a lot of rude words were proscribed in the Federation (a la Singapore) and you got shipped to a penal colony for use of crude language to a Fed citizen! Just kidding. Nico *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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RE: [B7L] Language
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

"Leia Fee" <leiafee(a)totalise.co.uk> wrote: >Yeah, I think 'okay' is pretty common both sides of the pond and was even >during the run of the series. > >Leia > > Looking through the microfilms of The Times for the late 1930s there was a reference to 'Okay' being used in telephone conversations Jacqui -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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RE: [B7L] Re: Language
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

Anna Simpson wrote: > >Have you got a list of sorrys by any chance? > > Well, I didn't, but I do now :-) > > I tried sorry before, but it was tricky. I've counted more > or less every > instance of the word. They're divided up into what I considered to be > actual apologies for personal faults, actions or omissions (e.g. Avon > apologising after hitting Vila in Redemption), 'social' uses > of the word > indicating regret (e.g. 'I'm sorry you waited so long', 'I'm > sorry about > your mother' or the use of sorry as a shorthand for, 'I'm > sorry I didn't > hear you') and a third group of miscellaneous sarcasm/blatant > insincerity/lying/acting/being under the influence of > mind-bending aliens. > This is, obviously, in large part a question of > interpretation. Hence, > it's probably not as 'useful' <ahem> as the swearing guide, > but it gives > you a flavour. > > Blake: 6/4/0 > Avon: 2/8/6 > Vila: 8/3/2 > Jenna: 1/1/3 > Cally: 3/2/0 > Gan: 5/1/1 > Tarrant: 5/3/6 > Dayna: 2/2/0 > Soolin: 1/3/0 > > Slave, of course, is perpetually sorry. Zen says sorry > exactly once, in > Terminal. Orac never says sorry at all. Hey, thanks! It confirms my impressions, particularly with Avon and Vila - that Avon was rarely sorry, and Vila was a lot. The others seem in character except for Tarrant and Gan. I shall have to check them out - can't imagine why they were so sorry in 2 seasons each! Nico *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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RE: [B7L] Re: Language
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

Anna Simpson wrote: > Thanks to tireless research on the transcripts, I present the Complete > Guide to Swearing in B7. This includes only 'real' > swearing--no sons of > slimecrawlers need apply. As a bonus, because it's in the > same file, you > also get the Guide to Pleasing, which isn't as Other List as > it sounds. Thanks for that! It was fascinating, esp. as I'm writing a story from Vila's POV, and I got the feeling he was the only one who ever said 'please', 'thank you' or 'sorry'. I think that's because very few of the others' politenesses get directed at him. Have you got a list of sorrys by any chance? Nico *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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Re: [B7L] Re: Music videos, was site update
by Mac4781＠aol.com 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

Jen wrote: > Well, admittedly our DVDs aren't special or anything, they're just the videos > copied onto DVDs, <slobber, drool> Did you do them yourself or take them somewhere for conversion? I've been tracking the progress of recordable DVDs in the hopes of doing that very thing. I've also pondered the possibility of having my tapes transfered by professionals, but I wasn't sure they'd dub copyrighted material. > but it is comforting to know that the degradation process > is slowed down dramatically That's my goal. > (haven't Our Heroes suffered enough?) Not enough for a hurt/comfort fan like myself. ;-) > And it does > make making a songvid a lot easier. I hope. I hope as well. Per what I've heard about doing music vids on computers, there are both advantages and disadvantages to computers vs. the old-fashioned way. > > If you were making your own songvid, what music and clips would > you include? I have so many songs in mind for future vids that it would take me all morning to touch on them. Some past ones include: Sadder But Wiser Girl for Me from "The Music Man" - clips of Avon lusting after "wiser" girls--blonde in GOLD, Servalan, Soolin, Anna Too Long a Soldier - clips of Tarrant, Blake, and Blake with Tarrant paralleling that they've both been "too long a soldier" The Rose - clips from the suggestive Avon and Cally scenes, ending with a freeze of Avon clutching her arm and with them looking at each other from SARCOPHAGUS Camp Granada - clips such as the box monster in DAWN OF THE GODS for "the lake has alligators" and Gan and company tramping over Cygnus Alpha for "send out a searching party" > My first impulse has been to do Tommy Shaw's "Girls With Guns" (has someone > already done that? Not that I know, but I'm notoriously musically challenged. I'm not familiar with a lot of popular music and I can't always identify songs by titles. I need to hear the lyrics. > It seems like a natural), and David Bowie's "Rebel Rebel" > > (also seems a no-brainer). I'd tend to put shots of Avon or Tarrant > grinning > over the line, "Hot tramp! I love you so." :) I'm also tempted by Living > Colour's "Glamour Boys" for a montage of Tarrant. I don't think either of those have been done, either. But again, I'm not familiar with the songs. And anything with Tarrant would be, as you note, scenic. <g> > These are the first music videos I've ever seen, and I did love them, esp. > "Brothers in Arms." Does anyone know where I can get my hands on more, I only accessed those myself the other day. I've not kept up with vids on the Net, and I don't know what else is out there. There are oodles of vids done the old-fashioned way (with vcrs). But there is format incompatibility to take into consideration. The only PAL offering that I know of is from Horizon; Mary Van Deusen provided them with a copy of her vids in PAL with permission to distribute them. If you have NTSC capability, contact me off line and I'll tell you what is available. > or on > some tips for making a good music video? There is a vidder's list that might be helpful. I don't belong to it, but I can get you info if you are interested. Also, I'm pretty sure there are FAQs on computer vids out there. I'll ask a friend for information for you. Carol

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Re: [B7L] Music videos, was site update
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

Mel wrote: <If you were making your own songvid, what music and clips would you include? > I believe I have the perfect fan produced B7 music video. Among the vast collection of these that we've accumulated over the past 20 years, I have a copy of Barbara Anderson's "Opportunities," an Avon-themed piece that she managed to edit in a professional TV studio. The Pet Shop Boys tune is utterly perfect and so is her choice of clips. It was once shown on the big screen, at Starcon in Denver in the 80's. Leah

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RE: [B7L] Language
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

> I think I guess is an Americanism that has seeped pretty > thoroughly into > British speech by now. I certainly use it myself from time > to time and know plenty of other Brits that do. I do too, but they never did in the series, and I'd prefer to stick to that. Of course, they could guess a figure or whatever, but wouldn't use 'guess' to mean 'suppose'. I'm even loath to have Vila use 'sod' or 'bastard' (which I have done) as it was never in the series. Nico *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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RE: [B7L] Re: Language
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

Jen McGee wrote: > Oh dear, Vila wouldn't say "guess"? [Jen sighs and prepared > to go home and use the "find and replace" function, as Vila > seems to start > half his sentences with "I guess" right now] He wouldn't say "I guess" but he'd use the noun: "That's a good guess". > Writing the B7 crew in swimwear boggles my beginning writer's > imagination entirely. I guess [see, there I go again!] I can > see Vila in > something baggy and colorful, Soolin in a silvery bikini, and > Cally in a red one-piece, but when I hit the other men especially I > blank. The scattered images I get are almost entirely indescribable. > > But thanks for inspiring them! I'm writing Vila's e-mails to and from the rest of the crew, and selected others round the galaxy, and it's (mainly) for laughs. They get to have a holiday on Del Ten. Blake had promised them this in 'Voices from the Past' and I allow them to have a little fun before Servie turns up and spoils it. I have Vila in trunks (yep, baggy and probably colourful, though I didn't specify that), Jenna in a bikini, and Avon wore black leather with studs (what else?) which was OK, sorry, all right, as he hates water and has no intention of getting wet. Though Vila manages to spoil that idea! I didn't specify, but I too see Cally in a one-piece, and Blake in trunks like Vila's I guess (I say it too!), but a dark plain colour. And some more silliness: One of the running jokes I have in this is Vila's Mum's concern that he's eating properly, has fresh clothes and underwear, and isn't 'dead at the bottom of a cliff' (she's based on my mother who had these worries when I was overseas). Anyway, he makes a guess about what the others selected from the Liberator's wardrobe room for underwear. To quote Vila: Blake: white cotton Y-fronts Jenna: black lace Gan: scants Cally: satin/polyester high-cuts Avon: he's a hard one to figure out, but given a certain predilection for leather, I'd say he 'goes commando'. And yes, I know 'going commando' is probably an Americanism, but I couldn't resist! And in season 4 (yet to be completed): Tarrant: leather posing pouch Dayna: animal-print briefs Soolin: grey silk thong Nico *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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