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Re: [B7L] Neutrotope
by Marian de Haan 11 Dec '01

11 Dec '01

Nico wrote: >Charging gallantly off with an empty box was very silly. But also very B7 :-) Marian

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RE: [B7L] Re: Blake bashing v. Avon worship
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 10 Dec '01

10 Dec '01

Ellynne G. wrote: > It's strange but, in that scene, I think Avon doesn't realize Blake is > unarmed until after he's shot him (not a justification, just an > observation). Whether that's a stronger argument for the last scene > being some kind of hallucination or nightmare (perhaps Federation > psychosurgeon induced), I don't know. I read Chris Boucher said he had the shootings in slow-mo so it could possibly be regarded as such. He did say he could bring back anyone but Blake if they had the 5th season originally expected. > However, what bothers me even more > is the way Avon casually shoots several other people in the > base before > Tarrant tells him Blake's sold them. As he has every reason > to believe > this is Blake's current crew, what was he thinking? Not very sane thoughts IMO. He describes himself as a psychopath earlier (with a coldly amused smile) while listing the types of crimos no longer welcome on GP. Perhaps he was looking for Blake in order to eliminate him, as Blake would have good reason to suspect Avon of betrayal (very few real strikes against the Feds, wiping out Sula's coup just as it was succeeding). Nico *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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Re: Blake bashing v. Avon worship
by Ellynne G. 10 Dec '01

10 Dec '01

On Fri, 7 Dec 2001 15:13:07 -0000 "Mel Saxby" <harsharin(a)lineone.net> writes: > Ellynne wrote: > > And, to be honest, I think Blake might have a teeny, tiny right to > be a > bit put out with anyone who thought he should apologize to Avon for > making him shoot. > > I'm certainly of that opinion. Although I think Avon had > understandable > reasons for behaving as he did at GP, the blame lies primarily with > him. He > shot an unarmed man, who was not in any way threatening him. It's strange but, in that scene, I think Avon doesn't realize Blake is unarmed until after he's shot him (not a justification, just an observation). Whether that's a stronger argument for the last scene being some kind of hallucination or nightmare (perhaps Federation psychosurgeon induced), I don't know. However, what bothers me even more is the way Avon casually shoots several other people in the base before Tarrant tells him Blake's sold them. As he has every reason to believe this is Blake's current crew, what was he thinking? Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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Re: [B7L] Orac
by Ellynne G. 10 Dec '01

10 Dec '01

> Jacqui wrote: > > If asked whether it considered itself sentient, what would Orac's > reply > be?< > Orac would avoid the question and be insulting at the same time. "I can only assume that, by sentient, you mean an intellect like or equal to your own, which I certainly am not." Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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Re: [B7L] Neutrotope
by Lisa Williams 10 Dec '01

10 Dec '01

Marian de Haan wrote: >Ot else the prospective buyers of the neutrotope gave her a quick course >in lock picking when they were discussing the deal. Or she'd managed to get a duplicate of the key without Kendall's knowledge. Just because he *thought* he was the only one with a key doesn't mean he actually was. >What I'd like to know is how Sara got that body onto that high shelf. Steroids. - Lisa -- Lisa Williams: lisa(a)eroicafans.org or lcw(a)dallas.net Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://framecaplib.com/ From Eroica With Love: http://eroicafans.org/

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Warlord
by Sally Manton 10 Dec '01

10 Dec '01

Or ... the episode that was on *this* week twenty years ago ... Warlord is for me one of the *great* episodes of Blakes 7 (no Blake, not enough Vila, too much Servalan, way too much Zeeona) but it is wonderful in that it has a unique atmosphere. It's part Jacobean melodrama, where almost *everyone* has their hidden agendas and is 'against' everyone else; and it's part malevolent chess game, Black against Red (if you can work out which is which), but also Black against Black (Servalan betraying Zukan, Zukan literally throwing away his co-conspirator) and - rather unusually - Red against Red. The careful, considered movements of the three most important pieces - Tarrant, Soolin and Avon - is fascinating (it's a pity that Vila is underused and Dayna mere wallpaper, but then more might mean less in this game). Tarrant and Soolin go behind Avon's back (and to to drive a knife in it IMO) by working against the most important member of this alliance that is - as I said - their last, least hope; the prize being Tarrant's new love. It's dishonorable and distasteful, and (being a betrayal driven by a love affair) very, very Jacobean, and it brings with it the seeds of its own destruction, in Avon. When Avon finds out, he does nothing at first - a simple, empty threat against Soolin, which she ignores - but it's more a biding of time until he *can* take a hand. Watch him in that final scene, listen to his measured, over-articulate iciness - he's coldly, silently, but quite deliberately pushing Zeeona into the move she is actually willing to take. And the ending makes it clear that he knew what she would do. It's not just a matter of Zeeona being the new and therefore expendable one; one of the others *might* die, but equally might survive. He knew she'd kill herself, and that for once actually ugly smile at the end indicates to me that he wasn't displeased by it (and Tarrant - from that look at Avon - realised it, but waaaayy too late). And - even better - Soolin supports him. She also knows that Zeeona's going to die. She's just as calm, just as cold. This is where Soolin goes from quite interesting to totally fascinating - the manoveuring between the two men, the calculation in her every move - supporting Tarrant and Zeeona, mocking Avon, pretending to turn on his then saving him, falling back behind him in the shuttle when he's rescuing the others by long-distance, then *staying* there, a little behind, a little to his side, when he's silently pushing Zeeona into that honorable, deadly move. (I can't quite pull off an achoing significance in the fact that she, who at first seemed to be helping Tarrant's new love, then pretends to be Tarrant's new love turning on them, but I'm still working on it). In Warlord, Soolin appears more dangerous because it *does* show she can shift her alleigances, in such tiny, careful steps, without emotion or uncertainty. There's a steely taint of - *something* there, something unfeeling in its calculation, very different from Avon's harsh self-preservation and Vila's soft selfishness. It's what makes me even more sure that she's have been (to coin a phrase) a killer character in any 5th series. In Warlord, there's this Grand Guignol feel behind the space opera sets and flip language. As I said, it's Jacobean in its lack of feeling (Pacey does his best, but the shallow romance sinks beneaths the darker, bloodier currents swirling around) and an air that is poisoned even before Zukan's virus is released. A rather wonderful lead into the Shakespearean episode ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: [B7L] Neutrotope
by Marian de Haan 10 Dec '01

10 Dec '01

Jurgen wrote: >Yesterday evening I watched 'Mission To Destiny' with my partner (a Star Trek fan), who really enjoyed the episode.< A discerning lady :-) (Glad to know I'm not the only one who likes the episode.) >We both wondered why Sara was able to get the Neutrotope when Dr. Kendall said he was the only one with a key. Does anybody have a plausible explanation?< Maybe she was Kendall's secretary and he was so used to her having access to the safe that he simply forgot about it. Ot else the prospective buyers of the neutrotope gave her a quick course in lock picking when they were discussing the deal. What I'd like to know is how Sara got that body onto that high shelf. Marian

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Unusual tribute
by Steve Rogerson 10 Dec '01

10 Dec '01

The Farscape magazine in the UK has a column from Juliet Blake, the show's executive producer. The column is called "Blake's Heaven". I wonder where they got that idea. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5 http://www.smof.com/redemption

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OT: email blockage
by Kathryn Andersen 10 Dec '01

10 Dec '01

Just a note to say that if anyone's tried to contact me in the last day or so, to try again, because it looks as if all mail sent to me in that period has gone to the great black hole in the sky... (wondering if I should change providers...) -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen <kat(a)katspace.com> / \ | <http://www.katspace.com> \_.--.*/ | v | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe

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Babylon 5 vids
by Steve Rogerson 10 Dec '01

10 Dec '01

While in York this weekend I saw two shops with piles of Babylon 5 videos selling them at three pound each under a buy one get one free offer. On another list, someone has told me they saw the same offer at a shop in Poole. Sounds like a warehouse is dumping lots, so keep your eyes open if you are missing any. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5 http://www.smof.com/redemption

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