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by None 08 Mar '22

08 Mar '22

A hundred and one Pounds of fun That's my little Honey Bun... Get a load of Honey Bun tonight! -(Y)

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08 Mar '22

opportunity go. After all, she's more than bright enough to realise that if child-molesting accusations didn't work *before* he took on legend status, accusing him of anything this late would be seen as a *really* desperate move on the new President's part ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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> > > > Free choice can only exist if the people are aware of the > alternatives. > > > > > >Between what and what? > > Between good and evil. I don't believe in them any more. Neither should you. > > > You are aware of the alternatives, > > > > > >I am? > > I think deep down you are. You are too intelligent not to know. And you have > a great sense of humour and an eye for the absurd. You know what they say about flattery. > > >Perhaps you'd care to tell me what I've chosen. > > No good deed goes unpunished. All the more reason for not doing any good deeds. > > >What a noble little crusader you are. > > Crusade: Defined in the New English Dictionary as: "A vigorous concerted > action for the defence of a cause, or the advancement of an idea." We're all > crusaders Neil. Slay them all, for God will recognise His own. When animal camouflage breaks down. Are you sure you're a predator? Neil

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08 Mar '22

> > > > >declares > > > > >that it's fixed, all bets are off. And what bets would these be then? > > > An expert who declares Gan a psychopath. > > > >Irrelevant to the reliability of the limiter, before he fixes it. Why are you playing these games? We know when the limiter malfunctions, we know what happened before, we know what happens after. Surely we're intelligent enough to infer from what we see. > > All you *can* say, reliably, is that > > > > >you can't trust what's going on in there, because there's an unknown > > > factor > > > > >that *might* be influencing things in an unpredictable manner. > > > > > > That's absolutely right. But only right in the sense in which it relates > >to > > > that particular episode. > > > >Only in the sense that you can't reliably infer anything from Gan's > >behaviour > >during the majority of that episode. Actually you can. And Kayne says he is a psychopath. So let's discount it as a episode > >contributing towards or against any theory about Gan's character, shall we? So you're saying that an episode focused on Gan says nothing about his character? Oh well, then, I guess Rumours of Death reveals nothing about Avon either. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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she was just joking here. Were you Dana? Please God say you were. . The woman was > >married to the trooper, but was "Gan's woman" by her own heart. > >Here's an eerie idea for a fanfic-- what if Gan's woman (wife, lover, as > >you will) was only injured, and transformed into a mutoid after the > >incident? Or perhaps her intestines were ripped out by a herd of wildebeest! > >Or what if she was never really dead What if she never really was alive! What if she was an inflatable doll, or an incredible computer simulation! -- he was deliberately > >misinformed to make him angry (hey, people do strange things in the > >Federation). They do strange things on Lysator, too. We've seen some interesting on screen scenes with Travis > >and the mutoid he appears to have known, and of course, Avon and Anna-- > >what would happen if Gan had met the woman he loved on the other side of > >the struggle? To go by past behaviour, he probably would have sadistically strangled her. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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DORAN: I don't want aggravated. 'Cause when Doran gets aggravated, he kills people. And what did they put him away for fifteen years for, if they thought he was a pussycat? Again, they're fascists not idiots. Remember too that the criminals are being deliberately recruited from a prison planet as an army. Somebody evidently realised what a beast he was... >Or 2 other possibilities: during the big war, they lost a lot of >surgeons and don't have anyone to spare to do the implants; Doran started his sentence 15 years ago. The war was only a couple of years past at most by the time of "Moloch." So the state of the medical profession after the war is not the reason. alternately, >he would have gotten the implant if he hadn't been diverted from surgery >by the rogue group who were trying to build their own army. Again: DORAN: But when they dragged me into that prison cell, they said, "Look at the sun." "Look at the sun," they said. [Vila and Doran look up.] "'Cause as long as you live, you'll never see the sun again." And I haven't. In fifteen years, I've never seen the sun. Or a woman. Before he was "recruited," he had been on the prison planet for fifteen years. Plenty of time to give him an implant if you like. > > I haven't got this episode on video and I haven't see it in years, so > > please > > excuse me if I'm getting this wrong, but I don't remember Doran being > > intimidated by women with rank and status, he even tries to encourage > > Vila > > to rape Servalan. > > >I need to clarify again... >with current rank and status, which, we have seen in the past, means the >woman usually has an armed escort. I meant he has physical cowardice and >wouldn't risk being killed attacking, when there are so many unprotected >women amid the lower ranks. What evidence do we have for this? What women with armed escorts do we see on the planet (when Servalan turns up with an armed guard he's nowhere near her)? Where does he seem to be intimidated by people with guns (he doesn't hang back from attacking with Tarrant and Vila)? Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Certainly, leaving my professional experience aside, from my involvement with Fanderson, when actors start getting script approval, disaster ensues. This is what happened on Space: 1999 with Martin Landau and Barbara Bain. Also Tom Baker (Dr Who) was constantly trying to change the script. During the recording of Nightmare Of Eden, Tom tore into director Alan Bromly, and as a result Bromly suffered a breakdown. I was talking to a friend recently and he told me that a few years ago he saw some footage that was originally going to appear in the Kevin Davis/Andrew Pixley video on the making of Blake's 7. Apparently this footage came from studio recordings of Games. Vivienne Cozens was a first time director and she wasn't too good at what she was doing. By all accounts Darrow and Pearce verbally ripped her apart. (I can't help > wondering if this was because *someone* had trouble saying it without > cracking up? <veg>) It would be logical to assume that the reason the scene was changed was because Chris Boucher found a better way of doing it. Now I've never written a script myself, but I've seen how they go through changes in production, and it's not really fair to criticize a writer for lines written by him in his first draft. Obviously he wasn't pleased with what he had or he woudn't have changed it. It's a bit like rooting round in some writer's dustbin and then criticizing them for something not being very good, even though that writer has thrown it away. Scripts, like books, are written, then rewritten, and then written again. At the end of the Trial article Alan Stevens says: "The fact that so much of the script's first draft appears virtually unaltered in the final transmitted episode is, quite frankly, astonishing, and it can only serve as a testament to what a fine, dedicated and extremely talented writer Chris Boucher is." I think this is a fair comment. Leslie

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come up with something to bulk the episode out to 50 minutes without actually having Avon playing the accordion in lederhosen. > > Not necessarily a problem. There's virtually no threat to the crew in > "Killer," VILA: A quarter of a million volts...and you're putting your hand in? > > >The original intent here was to discuss Terry Nation's writing, so we can > >safely ignore one of the worst aspects of the episode ... the terrible > >acting by the extras (with their budget they could either hire one or two > >extras who could act or 8 who, in the main, couldn't). My favorite is the slave auction in "Assassin," where they had about eight bidders and only one slave until Avon's unexpected arrival. Reminds me of the time that I went to see the New York City Opera production of Candide on July 4th and there literally were more people on stage than in the audience. > > > >and rather odd characterisation > >(Blake destroying the Ortega). > > Blake does hard-bastard things before and since-- witness Breakdown. In Breakdown, Blake's intention is to help Gan, by any means necessary. In MtoD, Blake's intention is to help the Ortega crew. Hey, that could explain the rumors about Blake...if that's how he treats people he likes, don't get on his bad side! -(Y)

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> Then there's all the stuff > about the legends of > the Auronar, which flatly violates my altercanon > (where the Auronar are > originally from Earth). It's all much less interesting than the picture we get from Children of Auron. > And all the black hole > stuff which seems to be > little more than Follett showing us what a > marvellous science fiction writer > he is because he can regurgitate stuff that ninety > per cent of schoolboys > know anyway. And those crap vehicles. And the > Caliph (non-Islamic, so the > script adds racism to its litany of sins). In fairness to Follett the title has been moribund since 1924 (although Khomeni did consider reviving it) so I don't think it could have been that offensive. Mind you it was an entirely gratuitous piece of jackdawry on his behalf given that, as you point out, there's nothing remotely Islamic about Krandor. And if he did want an Oriental feel to the place, Vizier would have suited the Caliph's status rather better. On the other hand A collection of Arabian Nights cliches wouldn't added much. > And the > Thaarn. Well, the Thaarn is obviously Avon. As I recall there were seven gods, including the Thaarn. The Thaarn killed one of the other gods and was banished. Now we know what really happened after G.P. That's the real reason Cally didn't kill him :) > And Cally > having her mind taken over yet again. And a load of > tripe about bald > dwarfs. And the general level of boredom pervading > the entire episode from > start to finish. That's the real crime of this episode. If you're going to use something as spectacular as a black hole, then you should really discover something interesting when you get there, rather than a lugubrious welshman, a bloke in fancy dress and a not very bright alien. > No other episode violates the ambient ethos of B7 > even half as much as this > one. It is not B7 at all, it is the work of a hack > writer with skiffy > pretensions parasitising the series to get his name > on television. I have > no qualms whatsoever about excising it from my > altercanon. I wouldn't do it > with any other episode. I know we're not really suppose to say "me too" on the lyst but in this case I'll make an exception. It doesn't really have a lot to do with the rest of the show. > >I also find it hard to watch 'The Way Back', an > excellent episode with so > > many implications for the kind of fanfic I'd like > to write, simply 'cos it > > lacks my favoured character. > > Awww! I had to suffer 16 episodes without mine. > Travis fans must be really > up against it, especially if they're of the partisan > variety. It follows > that Jarriere fans are a lost cause, but then we > knew that anyway :) One of my favourite characters in the series is Councillor Joban who only appears for a scene. It's not quantity, it's quality, you know ! Stephen. ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

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>Again, I can understand that but still do find it a little surprising (just out of curiosity, and I don't expect an answer if you don't want to give one, but do you live in a small town?). The general pattern I've encountered has been that people don't tend to set out to find fandom, but happen across it due to their interest in a programme: even if you don't actually write away to the address on the back of the videos for fanclub information, you can develop a friendship with someone involved in fandom due to your shared interest, or else, if people don't actually physically encounter fans, they often buy sci-fi magazines with articles about their programme (which brings them conceptually into fandom). Maybe it varies internationally-- if anyone out there is reading this who'd care to come in, maybe they should?> I watched B7 when it was first broadcast on BBC in 1978 (?) and the subsequent series. The story stuck in my mind but I didn't encounter any other fans; I didn't look for organised fandom or fanfic because I didn't know it existed. By chance I saw the programme about fanfic on BBC2 two(?) years ago, featuring Judith Procter amongst others and then did a search on the internet and discovered this list and Space City. I joined and have been enjoying reading discussions and fanfic ever since. I'm a full time lurker with a few rare exceptions so the rest of you haven't been influenced by my insights on the subject. I think the loose association available on the internet is the key to my involvement since I would resist signing up to fanclubs etc where I might have to "take part" whether I wanted to or not. Having said all that I now have to add that I shall be unsubbing for a while in the hopes that things may cool down. I have blocked some lyst participants recently because I disliked the tone of their posts. If unpleasant posts are preying on my mind my enjoyment has gone. It doesn't mean that I don't want to think about the serious (and unserious) posts which are thought provoking but I don't want to feel a weight on my mind over something that is an optional spare time activity. I shall dip in from time to time to see how things are going and hope to be back full-time soon. Kerry

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