Blakes7 May 2001

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Re: [B7L] scripts and other ephemera
by Sally Manton 06 May '01

06 May '01

Jenny wrote: <If that's in the camera script then Mary Ridge did not cut any lines on the day of recording.> Fair enough - as the original 1993 post said, a lot of hers were rehearsal scripts. So the assumption is that Chris Boucher wrote it, but either Mary Ridge or Gareth Thomas (or both :-)) scrapped it in rehearsals (I can't help wondering if this was because *someone* had trouble saying it without cracking up? <veg>) As it is, Blake's final words are just soooo perfect ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] scripts and other ephemera
by Jenny Kaye 06 May '01

06 May '01

Julia wrote: >In message: Sally Manton ><smanton(a)hotmail.com> writes > >After the third shot ... > > > ><BLAKE: Oh Avon. I didn't take any of them on trust ... except you ... >You are > >my ... only friend.> > > > ><grin> now I'm all for good emotion-packed A-B dialogue, but even *I* >think this > >is a bit rich ... > >Ditto. It's a rare bad line from the master, and Ridge was quite right >to chop it. She and Boucher between them (with a little help from the >actors:^) turned out a stunning piece of drama. I have a photocopy of the camera script for Series D Episode 13 - Blake. On page 87 it starts: BLAKE: (MOVES FORWARD) Avon it's me Blake! AVON: Stand still! (BLAKE STOPS) Have you betrayed us? (THEN ALMOST TO HIMSELF) Have *you* betrayed me? BLAKE: Tarrant doesn't understand! AVON: Neither do I Blake! BLAKE: I set all this up? AVON: Yes. BLAKE: I've been waiting for you. (BLAKE HALF EXTENDS A HAND AND BEGINS TO MOVE TOWARDS AVON. AVON DRAWS HIS GUN AND FIRES. BLAKE STAGGERS SLIGHTLY BUT KEEPS MOVING FORWARD. COLD AVON FIRES AGAIN AND AGAIN. BLAKE STAGGGERS THE LAST FEW FEET TO AVON. page 88: INVOLUNTARILY AVON PUTS OUT A HAND TO STEAD HIM) BLAKE: Oh Avon. (AVON JERKS AWAY AND BLAKE FALLS. AVON STARES DOWN AT BLAKE. If that's in the camera script then Mary Ridge did not cut any lines on the day of recording. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] scripts and other ephemera
by Sally Manton 05 May '01

05 May '01

Julia: <I'm not entirely sure about the etiquette, as the only place I have a direct quote is from a thread on The Other List. I'd rather leave it up to those who've actually seen the script in question as to whether they want to put their notes on a publicly archived part of the net. The relevant line is "Oh, Avon...", for those who remember the discussion.> Hey, I can help here :-) being a history-of-everything nut, I've trawled the actual Lysator archives & I found this info posted waaay back into 1992, along with a lot of other details from a poster who owned a great number of scripts at the time. As it's already on public archives, I presume I can quote it here as well: After the third shot ... <BLAKE: Oh Avon. I didn't take any of them on trust ... except you ... You are my ... only friend.> <grin> now I'm all for good emotion-packed A-B dialogue, but even *I* think this is a bit rich ... There's also a couple of good points regarding [a] Blake's 'missed' in Horizon (apparently an add-lib of Gareth's) and the question of whether Servalan did/did not notice the state of the Liberator at the end of Terminal. These were apparently mostly rehearsal scripts, and some of the changes made by the time we got it are veeeerrrry interesting. For anyone who wants to look up the post - and the changes made and notes added to a whole swag of scripts - try February 1992, the thread 'Bits from the scripts"). Sally - infinitely grateful to Calle for making the archives so much easier (IMO) *to* trawl ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] moloch/limiters
by Sally Manton 05 May '01

05 May '01

Jacqui wrote: <How come Vila's 'friend' in 'Moloch' didn't have a limiter when he was far more dangerous than Gan?> I always presumed it was to do with the fact that Gan was convicted of actual murder, something that isn't necessarily so with Doran. The limiter prevents him from *killing*, so (being bureaucrats) they tried them out on killers first ... <Makes it more likely that the limiter was an experimental device tried out on a group of 'moderately dangerous' criminals & as soon as 'one' person with the device went berserk the whole lot of them were shipped off 'where it wouldn't matter.'> Quite possibly, and without contradicting the 'murderers only' bit :-) <And how come Moloch 'himself' did not resemble the Links of Terminal more - both are theoretically 'evolved humans'.> But in both cases evolved under very particular circunstances on just one particular world, so it makes sense that they'd go in completely different directions. Servalan is IMO talking absolute rubbish, and if Avon wasn't in a state of shock from the 'Blake is dead' bit, he'd have probably taken some pleasure in pointing this out. (The links are the one thing about Terminal that really annoys me, they're both idiotic (IMHO-only) and completely unnecessary to the episode). _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] scripts and other ephemera
by Sally Manton 04 May '01

04 May '01

Julia wrote: <Turning serious for a moment - this list is publicly archived, and there is nothing barring people from quoting material from here in another forum. The Other List, in both current and previous incarnations, is not archived, and there is a specific requirement that members not quote material from other people's posts outside the list without their prior permission. Mentioning that I know something about what was on this particular copy of the script is fine, given that I've heard about it through other channels (i.e. yakking at cons) as well. A direct quote here from a post on The Other List without first checking with the author would be seriously naughty, and I don't have any other written reference.> Agreed to all of this, which was why I was so pleased to be able to supply the line from the Lyst archives instead. Though I have to admit, I clipped it to *just* the line because, public archive or not, I would have felt a little uncomfortable *quoting* the whole post, which includes the original poster's own opinions, as that person is no longer on the list (but that's just me). _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] scripts and other ephemera
by Leslie Clifford 04 May '01

04 May '01

On Fri, 04 May 2001, Julia Jones wrote: > > In message <07c301c0d401$b5248860$0c00a8c0@codex>, Una McCormack > <una(a)qresearch.org.uk> writes > >> No, one bad line:-) From the description I've heard of the notes on the > >> script (I haven't seen it myself), Ridge was responsible for dropping a > >> few words from the script, which action IMO heightened the impact of > >> that last scene. > > > >Well don't keep us in suspense! :) > > I'm not entirely sure about the etiquette, as the only place I have a > direct quote is from a thread on The Other List. I'd rather leave it up > to those who've actually seen the script in question as to whether they > want to put their notes on a publicly archived part of the net. The > relevant line is "Oh, Avon...", for those who remember the discussion. > -- Now you've got my attention. Go on, enough with the coyness, tell us, tell us! Or are people on The Other List some how more privileged than us lesser mortals on Lysator: --)? Leslie > Julia Jones

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Re: [B7L] scripts and other ephemera
by Tigerm1019＠aol.com 04 May '01

04 May '01

In a message dated 05/04/2001 3:05:06 PM Central Daylight Time, orac(a)altavista.co.uk writes: > Now you've got my attention. Go on, enough with the coyness, tell us, tell us! > Or are people on The Other List some how more privileged than us lesser > mortals on Lysator: --)? Actually, it's that the Other List has a "no quoting without permission of the original poster" policy for the same reasons that it isn't archived. Namely that it is a slash-and-erotica-friendly list and members sometimes discuss things that they'd rather not be quoted on in less friendly forums. If you're interested in knowing what goes on over on the other list, and are over 18 and willing to abide by the rules, you're welcome to join. ;-) Tiger M

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Re: [B7L] Re: This is *my* ship ...
by Sally Manton 04 May '01

04 May '01

Dana wrote: <+INFORMATION At 0347 hours ship time we passed #2 on the Top Ten Bolthole list, at which point Avon picked up the suitcases with the leather gear and the contents of the Treasure Room and had me teleport him down. He says, "So long, suckers."+> and Nina: <<chortle> But he'd have such a hard time finding anyone as talented as Blake to argue with, and (IMHO) Avon *needs* somebody stimulating to argue with almost as much as he needs to breathe.> Oh yes, absolutely, and when Blake won't play <g>, he's got Vila to spar with (on a different level, of course). _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] scripts and other ephemera - error, error ...
by Sally Manton 04 May '01

04 May '01

Eeeep. Try February *1993*. One wonders how one ever got through one's history degree, being this bad with dates ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] scripts and other ephemera
by Leslie Clifford 04 May '01

04 May '01

On Wed, 02 May 2001, Julia Jones wrote: > little bit of B7, but mostly because I'm one of those people who isn't > just content to watch the silk handkerchiefs but wants to know how the > trick was done. This is one of the many reasons I go wandering around > the country to theatres where Gareth is performing. It's wonderful to be > able to sit in the bar with one of the actors afterwards and pick apart > how the play was put together, to compare what I saw during the > performance with what the production crew were trying to achieve. Excuse me, I don't say much on the Lyst I know, but I'm a lighting technician by trade, and I absolutely had to laugh when I read this. An actor is absolutely the last person you want to ask about production! > this for me is Blade Runner. I happened to read an SF-orientated review > before I saw the film. The reviewer had seen the original preview cut, > was thoroughly impressed, and was horrified when he went back to see the > release version Same notation, actually. I think your reviewer got it right, but I also think that if you really want to know what the production crew were up to, you'd be better off reading what they themselves had to say. on the script for _Blake_, > highlighting what I think is one of Boucher's rare duds. What? The most powerful, dramatic, grim and bleak ending to a series ever on television? Oh well, tastes differ. Back to lurking. Leslie

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