Blakes7 March 2001

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Re: [B7L] Re: Brit-char-speak
by Ashton7＠aol.com 02 Mar '01

02 Mar '01

In a message dated 3/2/01 11:02:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, una(a)q-research.connectfree.co.uk writes: << You will notice from the series of quotations that I did not suggest that. You said that there was no remembrance of WW2 in B7, I replied that there was. You appear to have taken my response to be related to a different discussion about the extent to which B7 can be considered 'British'. >> I'm sorry. I'm not sure what you're getting at, then. The question was (I thought) to find things in the B7 universe that make it a British society. I did say that I saw no remembrance of WW2 in B7. In what way would the fact that the Federation is a fascist regime prove that the *people* living in the culture of B7 remember WW2? I wasn't looking for proof that the writers of B7 remembered WW2. I was looking for proof that the people living in the universe of B7 remembered WW2 (in order to apply the analogy about wartime food rationing to B7). I think we're talking about two completely different things, so please clarify if you care to. Annie

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Re: [B7L] Simple misunderstanding? (was in calm discussion)
by Ashton7＠aol.com 02 Mar '01

02 Mar '01

In a message dated 3/2/01 11:08:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, susanbeth33(a)mindspring.com writes: << Shoot. I did it again. Please read "Annie" where I wrote "Leah" in this message. My apologies to both of them. :-( I do this so often -- swap names on people -- that I'm wondering if it's a syndrome with a name and all. Like dyslexics reverse letters in words, people with XXXX syndrome continually muck up names? >> It's okay, Susan Beth. We're used to it. Back in the "old" days of B7 fandom, people used to call us Worthenthal. On a side note, a lawyer friend of ours got a Somali kitten from us and he named it Annalea. LOL. Annie

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Re: [B7L] Simple misunderstanding? (was in calm discussion)
by Ashton7＠aol.com 02 Mar '01

02 Mar '01

In a message dated 3/2/01 8:50:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, susanbeth33(a)mindspring.com writes: << And that is, truly, an accurate statement going by my experience. There are a lot of fans, particularly slash-friendly ones, who don't at all like having a spotlight shown on their hobby. It has nothing to do with whether they thought his study was accurate, or whether or not they liked the conclusions/theories he drew from it. They simply *like* having fandom be their little secret cabal, safely hidden away from the eyes of mundanes. >> That is so true, Susan Beth. And there is no doubt that there were fans who were not happy with the books which came out, both Henry's and Camille's. In fact, I saw more people grumbling about Camille's than Henry's over the years. I have seen a number of articles on slash fiction appear on the internet over the last year or so, often with links to websites, and more often than not, it seems to really upset the fans... *especially* those fans whose sites are linked to. They run the risk of being shut down. And the same was true even in the fanzine heyday, because some studios *would* issue cease and desist orders. They never did anything to back them up, but they did issue them. As far as misunderstanding... well, I think it's obvious you understood what I wrote. It meant no more and no less than what I said. Was it "misunderstood"? At this point, it is a deliberate misunderstanding on the part of a few people because I have clarified what I meant several times now. Annie

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Teleportation
by Pat Sumner 02 Mar '01

02 Mar '01

BLAKE: Send solid objects like radio signals. Trouble was it seldom worked. AVON: And on living matter it never worked. Put a living creature into one end, take a dead creature out of the other, or nothing at all. (from 'Cygnus Alpha') AVON: He falsely assumed that the technology and computers were an integral part of himself, like an arm or a leg, but take him out of his life support system and that's what you're left with. CALLY: And that's what the teleport did to him? (from 'Moloch') Given the statements above, I was wondering about the Teleport system on Liberator. Could the teleport system transport objects that contained NO organic matter whatsoever? For example, could one put a bracelet on Orac (fastened around its handle) and teleport it? It's stated that the Aquitar project never worked on living matter, but the Liberator system didn't have this problem. If the Aquitar system SELDOM worked on non-living matter, could Liberator's system have this problem sorted as well? Another similar point. Assuming that the teleport system separated Moloch from his life-support system (an easy assumption since that's what happened!), why did it not separate Gan from the technology implanted in him? What distinguishes a life-support system (which is technologically based) from a limiter, a box of lock-picking tools, a gun (all technologically based) - or even clothing? By the way, thanks for all the con reports. They were very interesting reading, but now I'm jealous as hell! Wildean

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Re: Brit-char-speak
by Harriet Monkhouse 02 Mar '01

02 Mar '01

Julia wrote: >But we both had parents who remember the >war, and rationing, all too clearly. This reminds me of the incident when I realised that the reason why I used approximately one third of the water my flatmate thought necessary for a bath was that I still following Second World War guidelines. I found out when the maximum permitted depth of a war bath was a question on Mastermind. Despite fanfic, I fear our crew had to get by on showers, poor things. Harriere

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Re: Out of the frying pan (was Re: [B7L] Horizon and Redemption)
by Ashton7＠aol.com 02 Mar '01

02 Mar '01

In a message dated 3/2/01 3:32:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, una(a)q-research.connectfree.co.uk writes: << > Where does that leave Australian products ?? :-) Can't speak for Australian products, but NZ chocolate was just amazing - so much, so many different Cadburys bars... >> Aaaargh! Leah and I would love to sample some confectionary from New Zealand and Australia. Sadly, we haven't been able to afford a trip there yet. It amazes me how many Australian fans, both in B7 and in Highlander, manage to come to the US for conventions as often as they do. How the heck do you guys afford the airfares? Annie

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Re: [B7L] Re: Brit-char-speak
by Ashton7＠aol.com 02 Mar '01

02 Mar '01

In a message dated 3/2/01 3:33:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, una(a)q-research.connectfree.co.uk writes: << Apart from the portrayal of a facist regime? Terry Nation puts this into pretty much all his scripts for 'Dr Who' too. >> Sorry, neither the Brits nor the Germans nor anyone in recent memory invented fascist regimes. In fact, fascist regimes are all the rage in many SF books, many, many of them written by American authors long before B7 ever appeared on the scene. Annie

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Re: [B7L] And the winners are...
by Harriet Monkhouse 02 Mar '01

02 Mar '01

Lisa wrote: > I muttered to myself a bit over that one; I regard >"Gambit" as the most boring episode of the first > two seasons. But I'm sure it will please a certain >devoted faction around here. Well, I did say you only needed to do scenes with a certain character in them... Jarriet

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Re: [B7L] Re: Brit-char-speak
by Alison Page 02 Mar '01

02 Mar '01

It's a distinction between form and content isn't it? If we pretend that the series 'Blakes 7' was a representation of a real world: is that world in any way distinctively 'British' ? That's a different question from saying, is the way that society is represented on TV distinctively British (video format, RADA accent, no natural ad breaks etc.). Obviously there is quite a grey area though. For example (imagining still that it is real) the mere fact of picking particular events or characters from that reality to make into a story doesn't really fall into either of my nice distinctions. You could say 'well, the liberator crew aren't in any way british, but scripts which choose to concentrate on the times when they were bickering and complaining are distinctively british.' I'd say the british features of B7 or the B7 universe are - not very polished - full of sarcastic bastards - successfully or disastrously amateurish - cynicism and pessimism - camaraderie combined with isolation My experiences on the HP Lovecraft list lead me to strongly question the belief (which I myself held until quite recently) that America has a more open class system than Britain. I think the system is different, but not more open. Alison

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FC: Starfleet Ball con report & pics
by Rita d' Orac 02 Mar '01

02 Mar '01

I've finally got round to putting a con report and pictures for the Starfleet Ball 2001 up on my website. Can now work on Redemption report and pics without feeling guilty... Rita ===== rita d'orac "If you think of this mouse as a space captain..." http://www.vilaworld.com ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

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