Furthermore, Ellynne wrote:

Actually, it seems to be one of those issues that _can't_ be discussed these days. I mean besides the fact that taking certain positions on it openly is not approved. To be on one side or the other is to accept certain ethical ideas that seem to speak foriegn languages. I don't think any of us know how to discuss them anymore, if we ever did.

Actually I beg to differ, I had a long and friendly discussion on this very topic with a Christian friend this very Friday. We disagree radically. Neither of us changed the other's views, but perhaps we each made the other think a touch. I believe with mutual respect one can discuss pretty much anything, but then that's perhaps hard to achieve on a one--many basis on a mailing list. Mebbe we can try, though?

Tavia