Wendy wrote: <By making him look like a bastard for kicking her in the teeth any time she bows down?>
Eeep ... he only sort of does that once, and it's more jumping back in sheer embarrassment. I mean, how would *you* react if it were you :-) (and someone like Vilkins was looking on)?
For the most part, he treats her rather nicely, but as a sweet, idiot child. For My Darling, this is actually rather good, remember ...
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Wendy wrote: <By making him look like a bastard for kicking her in the teeth any time she bows down?>
Eeep ... he only sort of does that once, and it's more jumping back in sheer embarrassment. I mean, how would *you* react if it were you :-) (and someone like Vilkins was looking on)?
I think you've misinterpreted what I am saying here, I don't mean that he physically kicked her,I mean he treated her like a dog.
For the most part, he treats her rather nicely, but as a sweet, idiot child. For My Darling, this is actually rather good, remember ...
Okay then, so he treated her like an idiot child instead of murdering her or beating her up. But that's hardly respecting a woman's intelligence, maturity, humanity, ability to make her own decisions etc.
Wendy
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Wendy:-
Okay then, so he treated her like an idiot child instead of murdering her or beating her up. But that's hardly respecting a woman's intelligence, maturity, humanity, ability to make her own decisions etc.
(very quiet scared-don't-usually-get-involved-in-debates voice, please don't shout!)
Surely respect has to be earned? In my viewing I was struggling a bit to see what Meegat did to demonstrate the above qualities. That's more relevant to me than her gender.....?
(back to lurking)
Emma
I've been thinking about this one, and, to be honest, there's something in Wendy's take on this episode that kind of disturbs me, but I'm having a little trouble putting my finger on it. I *think*, though, that it has to do with the assumpton that, obviously, Meegat is (and is meant to be) some sort of representative for women in general. And I just don't see why that should be. Why should we view Meegat that way, and not any of the other female guest characters? After all, Meegat is only one person, and she certainly doesn't have a label that says "Representative of All Feminity" pinned to her dress. (Such a label *is* almost visible in "Power," which is why I find that episode much, *much* more disturbing.) I think the problem here is that Meegat is certainly a *submissive* character, and the portrayal of a woman -- any woman -- as in any way submissive can really push people's buttons. But Meegat is one person, and she's one person in a very specific and unusual set of circumstances. For her, this is a religious context, and a submissive attitude is frequently expected in religious contexts. It dosn't necessarily have anything to do with her gender at all. To nominate Meegat as the Obvious, Writer-Indended Representative of All Women, in preference to all the other female characters (and I can't think of a single example of another submissive female in the show, unless you count mutoids) seems to me both silly and rather insulting (to Meegat, and to women in general). As if Meegat's submission is something that can and should be abstracted from one woman to women in general, but not Avalon's courage and leadership, or Governor LeGrande's political cluelessness, or Dr. Plaxton's intelligence, or the Altas' cold inhumanity, or...
"emma" emmapeel@calvino.freeserve.co.uk wrote:
Wendy:-
Okay then, so he treated her like an idiot child instead of murdering her or beating her up. But that's hardly respecting a woman's intelligence, maturity, humanity, ability to make her own decisions etc.
(very quiet scared-don't-usually-get-involved-in-debates voice, please don't shout!)
Surely respect has to be earned? In my viewing I was struggling a bit to see what Meegat did to demonstrate the above qualities. That's more relevant to me than her gender.....?
(back to lurking)
Emma
Avon does the jobs Meegat requests of him - deals with 'Deliverance' and rescues his 'follower': what more could she want (and he treats her reasonably gently)
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