"Jenny Kaye" jennycat55@hotmail.com wrote:
SLASHER Rita d' Orac wrote:
No, you are wrong: By definition "I'm not a slasher" means...guess what... "I'm not a slasher!"
Subject: [B7L] Re: When "Animals" camouflage and other Stuff
jennycat55@hotmail.com wrote:
{huuuge snip}
She has made this "huuuge snip" because she doen't want to discuss most of the issues I have brought up.
No, you are wrong: Snip was made because I had no comment to make on any thing you wrote above the snip - if you or anyone else want to see that part of your message, just look in the archive.
Everyone on Freedom City is by definition a slasher, but on this lyst there are people who
are
not. It's those people that are my concern, the ones you are after. It's petty, it's small minded, but
I
suppose it's power of some kind.
{snipped rest of message}
Actually no - I'm not a slasher, but I am a member of Freedom City.
Then by definition you are a SLASHER.
No, you are wrong: By definition "I'm not a slasher" means...guess what... "I'm not a slasher!"
If I see something on that list that I don't want to read, I don't read
it.
Freedom City is a SLASHER lyst.
No, you are wrong: It is not. Check archives for Tiger's earlier message which explains this for you.
Apart from a few misdirected email's that weren't meant for the > >>
list, I don't recall having come across any posts that attacked > >> >> individuals viewpoints the way I've seen them attacked here - such > >> behaviour is not tolerated by the list's administrator.
That is true. Debate on Freedom City is stifled. That "misdirected email" comment though is interesting. On the surface it seems Freedom City has a relaxed atmosphere, but behind people's backs they are all sniping at each other. See?
No, you are wrong: Debate is not stifled and I have no interest in commenting on (or even reading) messages accidently sent to the list. There is a clearly defined policy for what to do if/when this happens.
What I have enjoyed on that list is reading the many different opinions of people on several aspects of B7 that I might > >>
not otherwise have had an opportunity to listen to or discuss (I am >
mostly an active lurker).
She is now stating that there is debate on Freedom City which contradicts what she has previously stated.
No, you are wrong: I never stated that there wasn't debate on the list - you did - and I therefore cannot have contradicted myself. To clarify for you - there is plenty of debate on that list.
I
suggest that you try being a member of that list before you knock it.
Even I wouldn't want to spend too much time on Freedom City. The programming techniques being used there are extremely powerful.
Scared of being proved wrong?
There are several issues that I agree with you and Fiona/Shane/Whoever
on,
Smart. You can see that what Fiona (an anthropologist) Shane (a gay male) and I (???) are saying, come down basically to the same thing, SLASH is a dangerous conditioning device.
No, I have already made my views clear to this list (check the archive if you can be bothered, or speak to Shane or Fiona) and you will see exactly which issues I agree on. The archives (or any conversation you have with either Shane or Fiona) will prove that I have never indicated in any way that I believe slash is a dangerous conditioning device. I don't believe that it is.
most of which I have debated offlist
Why offlyst? Also, this person has never contacted *me* offlyst.
By offlist, I simply mean face to face conversations held at various places I have had the good fortune to run into other B7 fans (conventions, theatre trips, Beer & B7 meetings etc). Of course I haven't contacted you offlist - Is there any reason I should have done so?
at some time or another with several of my B7 friends (and that > >>
includes my B7 friends who are "slashers")
They are all SLASHERS.
No, you are wrong: As most people on this list are already aware (and most of them are by now probably quite rightly sniggering at your above comment!), a large number of my B7 friends are violently (and in some cases very publically) opposed to slash. Others are not. I am perfectly happy to have friends with views that oppose mine.
- nobody could
accuse me of being less than seriously opinionated on some of these
topics!
I agree there.
But our debating remains reasonably civilised because we respect the fact
that we are all B7 fans.
These debates never took place.
No, you are wrong: They did. Why would you presume to know in any case? - you weren't there!!
Despite broadly agreeing with your views on some of the issues you have
raised,
Notice she doesn't specify which views she broadly agrees with. Another conditioning device.
That is because my views are already a matter of public record within the archives and I have no reason to repeat them - take a look. If you aren't able to work out from this which views we have in common, I can spell them out for you.
I do not condone some of the tactics
Here's another old favourite. Attack the posting style, avoid the issues.
That is because it is in fact your posting style that I object to. I have no issues to avoid.
you/Fiona/Shane/Whoever
Now look here. There is a subtle difference. She is trying to suggest now that Fiona, Shane and myself and "whoever" else may be saying the same thing are all the same person. This equates to basically saying that this view is being held by only one person. Wrong.
No, you are wrong: This equates to me not being clear about how many of these people you actually speak for. To clarify further for you, I refer to yourself AND Fiona AND Shane AND anyone else you care to name that you feel you speak for. I really don't care if you are all one person or several individuals.
have used in raising these issues and then responding to the view > >of
others on this list without allowing for any proper debate of these >
important issues.
She is agreeing that they are important issues. However what she is saying is that my posting style is preventing the SLASHERS from dealing with and stifling what it is I am saying here. However also note that this letter is a very sophisticated programming device. They've upped the ante.
Yes, I am on record in the archives as stating that they are important issues. That is why I used those very words. As to whether your posting style is the reason for people not debating with you - yes, I believe it is. My evidence for this is the many postings from people whom you have tagged as slashers saying that this is the case. Again, look in the archives if you want to confirm this.
Neither can I condone in any way the actions you/Fiona/Shane/Whoever have
taken or
incited others to take against Annie's website. It is wrong.
Again look what she is saying. Shane left this lyst six weeks ago but now she is saying that he has attacked Annie's evil website. I think Fiona's attack on Evil Annie's website was wrongheaded, but it was not done through malice, it was done through desperation. Fiona is an anthropologist. Secrecy surrounds SLASH because they don't want it debated. They say people who attack SLASH are homophobic, but Shane was gay. He described **SLASH** as **homophobic**. It is.
It was incorrect of me to add Shane's name to that list. A copy/paste error, nothing more. I have no knowledge as to whether Shane was involved or not. The "whoever" part covers anyone else who was involved - I have no interest in knowing their identities.
Please don't assume that you speak for all non slash fans, Jenny -
Interesting that you use my name here.
I use it because I am referring to you. It is common practice in the English language to name the person you are referring to.
you don't speak for me.
No I don't, you are a SLASHER. Also note what she is now saying, earlier she said that she broadly agreed with what I was saying, now she says that she doesn't.
No, you are wrong: As stated earlier, I am not a slasher. I stated earlier "There are several issues that I agree with you and Fiona/Shane/Whoever on". There is nothing in that statement that implies that you may speak for me on any issues. To clarify once again - you may not.
Please don't presume to tell me whether or not it is "safe" for>me to be a member of this or the Freedom City list - that decision is
mine
YOU ARE A SLASHER
No, you are wrong: By definition "I'm not a slasher" means...guess what... "I'm not a slasher!"
to make and I choose to stay on both lists.
YOU ARE A SLASHER.
No, you are wrong: By definition "I'm not a slasher" means...guess what... "I'm not a slasher!"
Why do you think this person is attacking me? Why not just ignore me or Killfile me?
Why am I attacking you? - I am not. Please indicate where you think my post attacks you.
Why don't I just ignore you? - I had something to add to one of the posts on this mailing list - so I posted it! I never ignore a message I want to reply to.
Why don't I killfile you? - Why do you think I should? I have never killfiled anybody I disagree with and I have no wish to start doing so now.
I'll tell you why. She is trying to discredit what I am saying. They don't what you to listen. This person is a PROGRAMMER.
No, you are wrong: I replied to a public post on a public mailing list. It is reasonable to expect people to reply to your post if they have something to add to the topic you are posting on. You posted on a topic, and I replied to it. If what you said in your post was correct, I would not be inclined to comment on it at all, never mind attempt to discredit it in any way.
You are correct in calling me a programmer because I program in VB as part of my job.
PLEASE LEAVE THIS LYST AT ONCE.
No. Shan't. Won't. Can't make me. So there.
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