Mistral:
Well now, there's an interesting ingame/outgame debate. I mean, _are_they really British (descended) characters just because of the actors'accents? Is Blake Welsh, Jarriere Scottish? If so, then we may really have to account for the differences between the Travii.
As Blake and Avon both worked on the matter transmission project, they must both have inhabited the same Dome at one point (I assume Domes are large enough that people would live and work in the same one). Although there's no evidence that this is the same Dome as the one we later see Blake living in, it might be a reasonable assumption that they are close? Certainly the landscape we see in TWB looks British, though it's hard to tell in the dark.
There's no reason to suppose the other Earth natives came from the same region at all, though the fact that they all speak with similar accents suggests that they might.
The only place I can recall anyone mentioning on Earth offhand is the Himalayas (Vila). I don't think that they were his homeland...
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Mistral:
Well now, there's an interesting ingame/outgame debate. I mean, _are_they really British (descended) characters just because of the actors'accents? Is Blake Welsh, Jarriere Scottish? If so, then we may really have to account for the differences between the Travii.
As Blake and Avon both worked on the matter transmission project, they
must
both have inhabited the same Dome at one point (I assume Domes are large enough that people would live and work in the same one). Although there's no evidence that this is the same Dome as the one we later see Blake
living
in, it might be a reasonable assumption that they are close? Certainly the landscape we see in TWB looks British, though it's hard to tell in the dark.
And meaningless anyway, since half the galaxy looks like the bog end of Surrey.
We hear a Tawny Owl in TWB. That currently has a distribution ranging from the UK to western Siberia, and from Scandinavia down to NW Africa. 'Course, in a thousand years time they might be anywhere.
My own take on the nationality thing is that I don't see the characters as being in any way 'British'. No more quaint ideas of nation states under the enlightened umbrella of Federation rule. I don't even think they're really speaking English as such, what we hear is translated for our benefit (the same way Xena doesn't talk Greek).
This gets into quite interesting territory. If we don't hear what 'really' got said, then maybe we don't see what 'really' happened, and the aired series is some kind of interface between the 'real' events and our ability to make sense of them, a kind of consensually acknowledged construct to accomodate the limits of our comprehension. (Tolkien did this with LotR, in an appendix giving the real names of the hobbits and other such stuff.)
Does this, then, legitimise 'Americanization' of these 'Brits in space'?
(Oh, and the domes. For the purposes of my subcanon only, they are dome complexes, sprawling networks of domes loosely clustered across the planet.
There's no reason to suppose the other Earth natives came from the same region at all, though the fact that they all speak with similar accents suggests that they might.
Or that there is a standard Federation accent pervading across Earth and perhaps much of the Inner Worlds, which may well be possible with a mobile population with access to the same media. (Yes, I know Avon needed exit visas, but he needed them for non-legitimate travel. Legitimate travel might be commonplace, with people constantly on the move.)
The only place I can recall anyone mentioning on Earth offhand is the Himalayas (Vila). I don't think that they were his homeland...
Vila the Yeti? Yes, it was the only geographical feature on Earth to be named in the series. Britain and America were also mentioned in Killer, but these are political entities.
Neil
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My own take on the nationality thing is that I don't see the characters as being in any way 'British'. No more quaint ideas of nation states under the enlightened umbrella of Federation rule. I don't even think they're really speaking English as such, what we hear is translated for our benefit (the same way Xena doesn't talk Greek).
This gets into quite interesting territory. If we don't hear what 'really' got said, then maybe we don't see what 'really' happened, and the aired series is some kind of interface between the 'real' events and our ability to make sense of them, a kind of consensually acknowledged construct to accomodate the limits of our comprehension. (Tolkien did this with LotR, in an appendix giving the real names of the hobbits and other such stuff.)
This makes things very interesting indeed. All translation is interpretation. Whose version of events are we getting, how accurate is it and why ?
Does this, then, legitimise 'Americanization' of these 'Brits in space'?
Probably not - as has been pointed out they're "British" in their reticence and their inabillity to communicate their emotion. A parallel would be with the film Sink the Bismarck where Kenneth More hears the news that his son is alive and dashes into an office so he can cry in private. The heroine notices this but leaves him to it out of respect for his feelings. In a modern Hollywood movie she'd probably follow him and give him a hug. Which would be right in modern day California but wrong for 1940's Britain. Our heroes are at the Kenneth More end of the spectrum rather than the Californian end. (All of which is a literary /aesthetic judgement - not a moral one. And I apologise to any reticent Californians for the use of generalisations as a convienient shorthand).
Or that there is a standard Federation accent pervading across Earth and perhaps much of the Inner Worlds, which may well be possible with a mobile population with access to the same media. (Yes, I know Avon needed exit visas, but he needed them for non-legitimate travel. Legitimate travel might be commonplace, with people constantly on the move.)
I'd imagine that the ruling elite would have some kind of recieved pronunciation whereas the lower orders would speak with various regional accents or dialects. Those on the borderline between Federation and non-Federation might speak a form of pidgin (the Subterons ? Freedom City ?) I'm grateful however that they didn't try this when it came to the script and casting.
Stephen.
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Stephen said:
This gets into quite interesting territory. If we don't hear what 'really' got said, then maybe we don't see what 'really' happened, and the aired series is some kind of interface between the 'real' events and our ability to make sense of them
[Credits Roll] AVON: Thank goodness that's over for another week. Well, now, before we get stuck into the Haagen-Dazs: Group hug!
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