and at the end, on board the Liberator, he shows more concern for the rocket's future than hers.
Well... the rocket is full of very old machinery and potential life, but not *living* life. Unless everything works perfectly, the launch will do no good, and how (as someone else hinted at before) are the new people going to be raised to adulthood? This is definitely a case of gaping plot hole. Meeghat is, unless she's lying about 'others', part of a society. She looks to be about 30. There's no reason to think she won't survive for a good many more years among her people.
OTOH, I can see this as a really good play to start yelling about misogynism. Because the script does seem to place potential life above the life of an individual woman. I would tend to shrug it off as shoddy writing if given no evidence to the contrary-- I try not to look for things to be angry about and only worry about *patterns* of sexism. (Thus my complaint that Cally should have been kept as a warrior and given leadership scripts, not relegated into mommy-mystic roles). But, if you look for hidden ideology, this does seem to be an anti-choice position built into the script. Meeghat doesn't ask to be rescued, but then, as a 'good religious woman', she would not put her health above the potential life entrust to her. Yet, even if this was an intentional pro-life ideology written into the script, I believe that people do have the right to express their viewpoints. Yes, it's annoying now that I've thought to look at it this way, but I appreciate science fiction for its potential to rephrase the topics of modern debates, and the fact that many people think it a shame that Meeghat's future was not explained shows that just rephrasing the debate does not necessarily change people's minds. I may not agree with Neil's ideology all of the time (the middle classes are necessary for successful revolutions if we go by history. When Proles take over governments without having previous democratic experience, we get mob rule and everyone who has shown talent and cleverness is persecuted by those seeking a lowest common denominator. After the mob have wiped out those who can create stability, a dictator steps in)-- but his posts are incredibly well-written, intelligent, and enjoyable. I bring this up to answer the question of why intelligent women can enjoy the episode Deliverance, without resorting to character elements.
----- Original Message ----- From: Helen Krummenacker avona@jps.net To: blakes7@lists.lysator.liu.se Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 2:54 AM Subject: [B7L] Re: Deliverance
and at the end, on board the Liberator, he shows more concern for the rocket's future than hers.
OTOH, I can see this as a really good play to start yelling about misogynism. Because the script does seem to place potential life above the life of an individual woman.
Funny thing occurs to me-- why has nobody seriously suggested that Meegat could join the Liberator crew? Esp if she is as intelligent, resourceful, strong, full of personality and feminist as some think...
(sorry, can't avoid note of sarcasm creeping into voice. As I said, I didn't see it at *all* the other night. Bloody hell, even her *name* sounds like "meek"... Hmmm, Nation also liked anagrams and symbolic names, didn't he... stop me before I interpret again!)
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Funny thing occurs to me-- why has nobody seriously suggested that Meegat could join the Liberator crew? Esp if she is as intelligent, resourceful, strong, full of personality
(snipped the feminist bit because I don't see any reason to call her that) Given that I waas one of the people who said she probably was considered someone special by her people to be entrusted with the role of preistess guardian. Those traits do *not* qualify her to fight, handle demolitions work, pilot a spacecraft, do computer repair, pick locks, or any of the essential functions done by members of the crew. I will say she would probably have been quick to learn how to operate the teleport, and more *reliable* about staying on alert during teleport duty than Vila. Even that thought, however, would be unlikely to persuade Avon it would be worth having her beaming at him in front of the rest of the crew. (Once she understodd he was just an ordinary chap who was good with machines, I assume she'd stop worshipping but she'd still find things to admire about him and embarrass him in the process). Furthermore, the Federation had done nothing to her or her people, as far as we know. Why drag her into a dangerous fight she has nothing to do with?
----- Original Message ----- From: Helen Krummenacker avona@jps.net
Given that I waas one of the people who said she probably was considered someone special by her people to be entrusted with the role of preistess guardian. Those traits do *not* qualify her to fight, handle demolitions work, pilot a spacecraft, do computer repair, pick locks, or any of the essential functions done by members of the crew. I will say she would probably have been quick to learn how to operate the teleport,
Which would have freed up the girls to go do more warrior things :).
and more
*reliable* about staying on alert during teleport duty than Vila. Even that thought, however, would be unlikely to persuade Avon it would be worth having her beaming at him in front of the rest of the crew.
So what you're saying is, Avon's not going to take her along unless she's of practical use to the crew? Then all that lovey-dovey hand-holding doesn't count for too much :).
she understodd he was just an ordinary chap who was good with machines, I assume she'd stop worshipping but she'd still find things to admire about him and embarrass him in the process).
But she sees him operate the machines and still worships him. We never do find out what it was that disillusions her about his divinity in the end.
And once again, he doesn't seem too embarrassed by the attention. Go watch the episode, I'm telling you, it's just not there.
Furthermore, the Federation had done nothing to her or her people, as far as we know. Why drag her into a dangerous fight she has nothing to do with
Better to take your chances on the Liberator, though, than to spend the rest of your life on a radiation-soaked planet rife with primitives, surely? I mean, she wished for the rocket to be launched, but once it's gone, there's not much left to do but live out the rest of your life. As Chris Boucher said, be careful what you wish for...
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Fiona Moore wrote:
Better to take your chances on the Liberator, though, than to spend the rest of your life on a radiation-soaked planet rife with primitives, surely?
It seems to me that you are the one trivializing Meegat. You seem to be arguing that she should be seen by the others as a child in need of wiser heads to look after her. I saw her as a grown woman who was quite able to speak up and make her wishes/needs known about launching the rocket. And she never said a word about wanting to leave the planet herself, did she? Or even hint that anyone else did either. Why isn't it good and non-chauvinistic that they respected her autonomy?
It seems to me that having Avon (and/or Blake and/or the entire crew) decide that it would be "better" for Meegat to join them on the Liberator *would* be patronizing. Who set them up to be her guardians? Why is the take of a stranger who has known her and her circumstances for a few minutes to be assumed to be wiser than that of Meegat herself with a vastly greater knowledge of the situation?
And as for:
I
mean, she wished for the rocket to be launched, but once it's gone, there's not much left to do but live out the rest of your life. As Chris Boucher said, be careful what you wish for...
Gee. Does that mean *everyone* who achieves their heartfelt wish might as well kill themselves at once? (I picture all those Olympic champions strangling themselves with the ribbons from their gold medals.)
What you do, of course, is settle on a new wish. You turn to your second more heartfelt goal. Or numbers 2 through six combined, which you'd had to neglect previously. You take up flute lessons. You breed rare orchids. You set up a free love commune and have Saturday night orgies. You practice yoga. You garden.
Some of us think 'living out the rest of your life' is a fine thing.
Susan Beth (susanbeth33@mindspring.com)
From: Fiona Moore nydersdyner@yahoo.co.uk
(sorry, can't avoid note of sarcasm creeping into voice. As I said, I
didn't
see it at *all* the other night. Bloody hell, even her *name* sounds like "meek"... Hmmm, Nation also liked anagrams and symbolic names, didn't
he...
stop me before I interpret again!)
Possible anagrams for Meegat:
Me gate Gate me Eg meat Eg tame
But the one single word I can unscramble from her name is:
Gamete
Now juxtapose that with what Helen said: <However, this is the one area in which I can really see some grounds to complain about Deliverance. The writer seems to prioritize the gene banks of potential lives ahead of Meeghat who is alive right now ... Her life is unimportant except as a womb for the future.>
Maybe Wendy really does have a point...
Neil