Myself/Shane:
Well then, why don't you go conduct that investigation? And when you're ready to level specific charges, come back and tell us about it.
Why don't you? You're closer than I am. But if you want some advice, you could start by asking for their accounts to be made public...
I wrote a note beside my computer that you would respond exactly as you did: "Why don't you investigate it?"
The point I was making is that it is very easy to make insinuations of improper behavior. This lyst would be even more unpleasant than it has been of late if we all took to doing that. Given that you don't have any proof for your theory, and given that you aren't willing to do the investigation that *you* apparently think would give your theory credibility, your comments come across as nothing more than a vendetta by someone with a personal ax to grind.
I've purchased Ashton Press zines. I've held them in my hands. I've seen how many pages they have. I know what type of binding they use. I recognize that some of the art work would involve extra reproduction costs. I've also done two B7 zines and 43 issues of the Tarrant APA, so I know what it costs to do fannish publications. There is no way Ashton Press can be making money. It would be easier to get rich going sofa to sofa and plucking out lost change. Both Annie and Leah do zines for the love of fandom. I appreciate their efforts.
Carol Mc
Carol wrote:
it is very easy to make insinuations of improper behavior. This lyst would be even more unpleasant than it has been of late if we all took to doing that.
<applause>
I'm sorry if what I'm about to write makes me come across as an arse, but...
The mood on this mailing list has become intolerable. Jacqueline unsubbed earlier in the week, and another person unsubbed today with deeply hurt feelings. I would not be surprised if many other people have unsubbed too in the past few months. I notice that Natasa has not posted in over a month, and I suspect that she has left too, which is a terrible shame.
*Please* can people step back, take a deep breath, relax - and then try to return to discussion with mutual respect and consideration?
I'm sticking doggedly to my belief that at heart people on this list do not intend to wound or hurt, but in the atmosphere that is currently around we appear to have lost a certain degree of trust. Perhaps people could pull back for just a moment before sending off a post and reread what they've written and consider whether it has been written in a spirit of generosity? I know I've fired off stuff myself that I wish I hadn't.
I'm not trying to be controlling of behaviour, I'm not trying to insist that people behave in a way which makes them feel uncomfortable. I thought this kamikaze atmosphere would dissipate, but it's gone on for two months, and people are getting hurt and are leaving.
Can we stop?
Una
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:45:26PM +0100, Una McCormack wrote:
I'm not trying to be controlling of behaviour, I'm not trying to insist that people behave in a way which makes them feel uncomfortable. I thought this kamikaze atmosphere would dissipate, but it's gone on for two months, and people are getting hurt and are leaving.
Can we stop?
<more applause>
If this were another fandom, I'd suggest we burn some virtual sage. As it is, let's all sit back, raise our glasses of adrenaline and soma, and drink a toast to the best darn SF TV show ever made! (*)
To Blake's 7! (clink)
(*) No disparagement is meant if you happen to like some other show more...
Kathryn Andersen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "Gort - barenga." (The Day The Earth Stood Still)
"Una" == Una McCormack una@qresearch.org.uk writes:
The mood on this mailing list has become intolerable. Jacqueline unsubbed earlier in the week, and another person unsubbed today with deeply hurt feelings. I would not be surprised if many other people have unsubbed too in the past few months.
In the last three weeks or so, the number of subscribers has dropped from about 290 to about 250.