Kathryn wrote:
Please folks, can you comment on this and provide suggestions and corrections.
Interesting idea. I do wonder (and this is a genuine question) whether something like this won't simply ingrain certain Lyst values that aren't necessarily 100% ideal.
People don't tend to introduce themselves or welcome newbies -- we just get on with the discussion. Please don't consider this unfriendly; it's simply... focused.
...This habit (which I agree is currently in evidence) being one in point. Rather than incorporating it into the Lyst 'rule set' perhaps we should at least *consider* changing it? Perhaps we really *are* being unfriendly? The once-a-year 'everyone posts an introduction' idea on FC seemed quite fun to this (chatty) list-reader.
Tavia
Tavia wrote:
Kathryn wrote:
Please folks, can you comment on this and provide suggestions and corrections.
Interesting idea. I do wonder (and this is a genuine question) whether something like this won't simply ingrain certain Lyst values that aren't necessarily 100% ideal.
Ideal to whom? I find the Lyst a welcome refuge from the fluff and chat of my other groups. This is a bit like the hijacking argument - the Lyst is what it is because (1) Calle is tolerant and (2) the majority of active posters like it the way it is (or at least contribute to make it the way it is). Until (1) or (2) changes, trying to remould the entrenched culture of a few hundred people seems likely to be an effort in futility (and may be met with some hostility).
People don't tend to introduce themselves or welcome newbies -- we just get on with the discussion. Please don't consider this unfriendly; it's simply... focused.
...This habit (which I agree is currently in evidence) being one in point. Rather than incorporating it into the Lyst 'rule set' perhaps we should at least *consider* changing it? Perhaps we really *are* being unfriendly? The once-a-year 'everyone posts an introduction' idea on FC seemed quite fun to this (chatty) list-reader.
Er. One person's fun and friendly is another person's fluffy and emotionally invasive. Which probably sounds like I don't want to be friendly - _I do_. But compare Avon's style of friendliness to Vila's - as Kathryn points out, we have a lot of Avon-style people here. We also have a forum specifically for off-topic chat - the spin list; it lets us stick to the point on the Lyst, while still being able to discuss whatever we want to with each other.
Kathryn's Lyst Culture Guide seems to me an honest attempt to help people feel welcome and comfortable within the de facto environment - _not_ an attempt to codify or justify that environment. I think it's a terrific idea, and I rather wish it had been around when I signed on. The only problem I see is the same as the one with the FAQ - getting new members to read it.
As for welcoming newbies ... most newbies do get a hello or two - except in Februarys, which IMO are always both wordy and snarky. But at the risk of pointing out the obvious - anyone who is concerned that newbies get a welcome can always make a point of being the one to give the welcome*. Problem solved.
Mistral
*In fact, I infer this is what Kathryn's trying to do - give a one-time, blanket welcome, so that nobody gets overlooked in the midst of a vigorous discussion. Most of us probably didn't realize that Cheryl had been overlooked until she pointed it out to us.
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Tavia