Shane and Fiona effectively made the same point I think -
But this isn't getting rid of the feelings of shame though, it's just displacing them.
I like the idea that women should feel more relaxed about their own feelings, but we don't live in a world of perfect political struggle. People want to enjoy themselves, and there has to be room for both challenging the conventions of society (for them that want to) and fun. And people have to have fun in ways that accommodate the imperfections of the world we actually live in. We can't wait until everything is right before we start enjoying ourselves.
Of course, it is quite possible that 'even in a perfect world where everyone were equal' women would still fantasise about good looking men getting it on, just as a 'holiday' from real life, which is probably always going to be a bit stressful even in the best of all worlds.
But is it still deemed 'bad' if a gay man does it?
To women, in general, I'd say not (though there are obvious exceptions). I think women generally feel much less anxiety around male sexual expression than around their own, and that extends to gay men. This is just my impression.
Alison
----- Original Message ----- From: Alison Page alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk
Shane and Fiona effectively made the same point I think -
But this isn't getting rid of the feelings of shame though, it's just displacing them.
I like the idea that women should feel more relaxed about their own feelings, but we don't live in a world of perfect political struggle.
People
want to enjoy themselves, and there has to be room for both challenging
the
conventions of society (for them that want to) and fun. And people have to have fun in ways that accommodate the imperfections of the world we
actually
live in. We can't wait until everything is right before we start enjoying ourselves.
Oh, I agree totally-- which is why I made the point I made in the future tense. I agree that we have to live in the world as it is, and that our fantasy lives, sexual and otherwise, are going to be influenced by it, like it or not. But I think at the same time we have to be aware that things need improvement-- women in the Sixties and Seventies had to buy into the sexism of the working world of the time (there being no other way to earn the money they needed to live), but this didn't stop them campaigning for equal opportunities, and I'm very glad they did.
Fiona
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Alison said:
I like the idea that women should feel more relaxed about their own feelings, but we don't live in a world of perfect political struggle.
People
want to enjoy themselves, and there has to be room for both challenging
the
conventions of society (for them that want to) and fun.
When the lurking day is done, Girls just wanna have fun.
-(Y)