With books there are 'if you like "x" you might like authors a, b, c' etc. What would people recommend for other B7 viewers?
Jacqui
jacquispeel@netscape.net wrote:
With books there are 'if you like "x" you might like authors a, b, c' etc. What would people recommend for other B7 viewers?
This is an interesting question, because it touches on something I've been noticing recently: there seem to be an awful lot of very B7ish shows out there these days. Consider...
_Blake's 7_: A gang of escaped criminals fly around on the most advanced spaceship in the known galaxy, constantly bickering among themselves. They are lead by an idealist whose goal is to bring down the Evil Galactic Government, although this is considered by many (including several members of the crew) to be a hopelessly overoptimistic goal that is probably doomed to failure. The cast includes one cynical, sarcastic bastard who claims to care about nobody but himself and maintains that he's only along for the ride because it suits his own agenda.
_Andromeda_: A gang of criminals (they aren't escaped 'cause they never got caught at anything), fly around on the most advanced spaceship in the known galaxy, frequently bickering among themselves. They are lead by an idealist whose goal is to restore the Benevolent Galactic Government, although this is considered by many (including several members of the crew) to be a hopelessly overoptimistic goal that is probably doomed to failure. The cast includes one cynical, sarcastic bastard who claims to care about nobody but himself and maintains that he's only along for the ride because it suits his own agenda.
_Farscape_: A gang of escaped criminals fly around on a really, really big (albeit completely unarmed) spaceship, bickering among themselves. There's an Evil Galactic Military Organization after them, but at least they're smart enough to realize that trying to bring it down would be hopelessly overoptimistic and doomed to failure (that is, assuming the thought ever crossed their minds). The cast includes one cynical, obnoxious bastard who claims to care about nobody but himself. *Everybody* is sarcastic, and pretty much everybody is only along for the ride because it suits their own agendas, or because they don't have anywhere else to go.
_Lexx_: A (smaller) gang of escaped criminals fly around on the most advanced spaceship in the known universes, bickering among themselves. They're not exactly led by anybody, but they manage to bring down the Evil Galactic Government by the end of the first season, anyway. The cast includes one sarcastic, obnoxious jerk who'd like you to think he's a really great guy, but doesn't, in fact, care about much of anybody but himself. Nobody really has much of an agenda, but they don't have anywhere else to go, either.
To address the original question, any or all of those might appeal to a B7 fan, for the obvious reasons, but whether they'd appeal to any individual B7 fan probably depends a lot on individual tastes, and on what, exactly, it is about B7 they like... _Andromeda_ might appeal to B7 fans who are also Trek fans, as, IMO, it sits about midway between the two. _Farscape_ is likely to appeal to angst fans and those who like its particular brand of humor. _Lexx_ is only for those who like really bizarre dark humor and are OK with copious amounts of gratuitous sex. And so on.
But it all leaves me to wonder... Can this possibly be coincidence? Is B7 being consciously imitated? Can we consider all these shows to be direct descendents of B7 in some way or another? Was B7 just ahead of its time? Or what?
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jacquispeel@netscape.net wrote:
With books there are 'if you like "x" you might
like authors a, b, c' etc. What would people recommend for other B7
viewers?
*** I'd reccomend "Space: Above and Beyond". IMO, it has a rather dark edge to it, some great characters, credible enemies, the AI's and the Chigs. It also has wonderful special effects, which weren't overdone and were well blended with the other visuals. It also has a lot of subtle homour. And it was cancelled just as it got interesting!
But it all leaves me to wonder... Can this possibly be coincidence? Is B7 being consciously imitated?
***Babylon 5 imitated B7, and other shows, profusely. It is well known that it's creator JMS is a B7 fan. There is a costume used in the "Jack The Ripper" Episode (can't remember the name, sorry!) which is almost identical to that of the Caliph of Crandor.
Can we consider all these shows to be direct descendents of B7 in some way or another? Was B7 just ahead of its time?
***IIRC, B7 was the first Sci-fi show to have a gritty, rather dark and distopian theme, and morally ambiguous characters. UFO came closest i think, with Straker becoming obsessional about fighting UFO's and their occupants.
There is very little material out there that doesn't take some idea or premise from elsewhere. if you look, it can be traced back to old movies, westerns, stage shows, musicals, and anything else.
As for Farscape, great show, shame about the Muppets!
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From: "kevs -Kevin McCully" kevs90000@yahoo.com.au Subject: Re: [B7L] Crossovers
***Babylon 5 imitated B7, and other shows, profusely. It is well known that it's creator JMS is a B7 fan. There is a costume used in the "Jack The Ripper" Episode (can't remember the name, sorry!) which is almost identical to that of the Caliph of Crandor.
I'd call it "paying homage" pather than imitating. The episode you're thinking of is "Comes the Inquisitor".
I don't think that Sebastian's costume is a deliberate copy of the Caliph's; it's just formal Victorian wear - top hat, cloak, cane and so on. Now the cane having arcane powers when its "lid" is removed - detecting lies, that sort of thing- I can believe that was "influenced" by Blakes 7.
There were things slightly later in the series that "echoed" B7 most strongly. The "visions" above Z'Ha'Dum (where each of the group saw images that made them want to approach; if they had they would have been destroyed) reminded me strongly of the Liberator's burglar alarm, for instance. (That could be the episode "Hour of the Wolf" but I'm not sure.)
Wildean
kevs -Kevin McCully wrote:
As for Farscape, great show, shame about the Muppets!
Why is everybody so prejudiced against Muppets? Personally, I find them far preferable to yet another series of humans with head bumps...
Betty wrote:
_Blake's 7_: A gang of escaped criminals fly around on the most advanced spaceship in the known galaxy, constantly bickering among themselves. They are lead by an idealist whose goal is to bring down the Evil Galactic Government,
[snip]
_Andromeda_: A gang of criminals (they aren't escaped 'cause they never got caught at anything), fly around on the most advanced spaceship in the known galaxy, frequently bickering among themselves. They are lead by an idealist whose goal is to restore the Benevolent Galactic Government
Andromeda: the fascist's Blake's 7.
Una
In message 6D97F252.0A3DB60B.4BF51BCE@netscape.net, jacquispeel@netscape.net writes
With books there are 'if you like "x" you might like authors a, b, c' etc. What would people recommend for other B7 viewers?
Sticking with books, Iain (M) Banks seems to be quite popular with B7 fans. This may not be a coincidence as he is reputed to be a B7 fan himself, and I can well believe it, given his style. I can very easily see Banks writing one of the nastier episodes:-)
Jacqui asked:
With books there are 'if you like "x" you might like authors a, b, c' etc. What would people recommend for other B7 viewers?
I have no idea where you'd find the videos, but...there was a mini- series called "Rock Follies" which had a sequel. It's about three women whose relationship to the music business is about what the Liberator/ Scorpio crew's is to rebellion, and it features Flight Deck arguments galore.
-(Y)