Judith using Julia's account
I can't speak for the rest of you, but I think ringing up Gareth Thomas
and
asking him what he thinks of Gay porn ect. featuring himself,is probably
one of
the stupidest things I've ever heard. What did you expect him to say,
"Yes I
love it. The harder the better!" How would Judith Proctor like it is I
produced
a fanzine which had explicit drawings of her and Steve Rogerson? Diane
Gies may
be raving mad, but look at the people she's up against. It's enough to
send
anyone to the funny farm.
'Scuse me, the reason I phoned Gareth is because people were making assumptions about his views which I had good reason to believe were incorrect. ie. I did *not* expect him to agree with my own views, but he's a friend and I did for him what I would do for any other friend who isn't on the Lyst, namely asked him if he wanted to say anything with regard to what I felt was a probable misquote of his views.
Gareth and I have known one another for a long time. I gave him an open invitation to drop in on any of the slash panels at Redemption if he wished to make his feelings known on any topic, or if he simply wished to try and understand the mindset of slash fans. In fact he did appear in one - again, someone had made a statement of what they felt Gareth's opinions were and Julia (with the agreement of the panel and the audience) invited him up from the bar to give his own view on the topic which he did.
Not impressed. If you know Gareth Thomas as well as you say then why did you have to ring him to ask him what his opinion was on such a subject? Especially since he had all ready said it at a Redemption panel.Common sense would be sufficient alone to know that Gareth would not want to get involved with this discussion here and also that he would quite rightly be offended by pictures of him having it off with some other actor. If Diane Gies band advertising you convention because for the reasons she gave,and they are very good ones, and Diane knows Gareth, then you must have known that Gareth had attended your con inspite of its promotion of slash artwork. This says a great deal about Gareth Thomas's good nature but also about your lack of judgement. I am thinking of doing a fanzine that contains some explicit porn, with artwork of you and Steve Rogerson, but before I start can I have your permission, and would you like to pose for the more complex images?
Gareth doesn't like people making assumptions about his opinions, never has done. One of the reasons he dislikes newspapers is because they so often misquote him.
Does this mean then that you spoke to Gareth about his view on slash before inviting him to Redemption? If you did then there was no reason to ring him up, if you didn't then you were making assumtions about his opinions also. As I said, not very bright.
Julie
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On Thu 01 Mar, Julie Oppenheimer wrote:
Not impressed. If you know Gareth Thomas as well as you say then why did you have to ring him to ask him what his opinion was on such a subject?
Because I prefer to quote him exactly. He's a complex man and I'm not going to try and speak for him.
Especially since he had all ready said it at a Redemption panel.Common sense would be sufficient alone to know that Gareth would not want to get involved with this discussion here and also that he would quite rightly be offended by pictures of him having it off with some other actor. If Diane Gies band advertising you convention because for the reasons she gave,and they are very good ones, and Diane knows Gareth, then you must have known that Gareth had attended your con inspite of its promotion of slash artwork. This says a great deal about Gareth Thomas's good nature but also about your lack of judgement.
That is entirely between Gareth and myself. I am not going to comment any further. Gareth said that he did not want to be used as a weapon in any fan disagreements and you're trying to do just that.
I am thinking of doing a fanzine that contains some explicit porn, with artwork of you and Steve Rogerson, but before I start can I have your permission, and would you like to pose for the more complex images?
Well <grin>, please can you make me twenty years younger and give Steve a six-pack stomach? After all, fan art always tries to give them the best possible bodies.
If you do artwork, please can I have a copy to hang on my office wall?
Gareth doesn't like people making assumptions about his opinions, never has done. One of the reasons he dislikes newspapers is because they so often misquote him.
Does this mean then that you spoke to Gareth about his view on slash before inviting him to Redemption? If you did then there was no reason to ring him up, if you didn't then you were making assumtions about his opinions also. As I said, not very bright.
I am trying very hard to resist the temptation to quote from private converstions, and damn me, I am going to continue to resist.
It is one thing to be aware of someone's opinion and quite another to go shouting out details of it in public without their permission.
Diane and I may disagree in many ways, but she too respects the actor's desires for privacy.
I write to another cast member who has exactly the same attitude. Willing to share opinions and feelings, but would be deeply upset if I were to betray that trust and make public statements regarding those feelings.
Judith
In message F314QUXPXF2aZcdjaS300000fa9@hotmail.com, Julie Oppenheimer salma_106@hotmail.com writes
Not impressed. If you know Gareth Thomas as well as you say then why did you have to ring him to ask him what his opinion was on such a subject?
Read the post you were quoting from. Judith knew Gareth's opinion, and that it was not what had been quoted on the list, and wanted to give him the right of reply and correction.
I knew Gareth's opinion, and that it was more complex than that being quoted at a panel, which is why I went to invite him to the panel - to give him the right of reply.
We have both heard Gareth's opinions on a number of subjects during private conversations - and we regard those conversations as private. We were not going to speak on his behalf when we know he doesn't like people doing this, and when it was possible to give him the chance to speak for himself. He's not on the list, so the easiest way for a conchair to do him the courtesy of letting him speak for himself in this forum is to phone him and take dictation.
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