New subject: Skimpy outfits (was Re: Women of No Importance)

24 Mar 2001


      Dana Wrote:
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Neil, entering the dialogue between Shane and me:
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I'm with Shane on this one.  Costumes for the women were pretty much on
a
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par with those for the men.  Most of them were bloody awful:)
Oscar Wilde said that when he was traveling through the mining camps, he
saw a sign in a saloon: "Don't shoot the piano player, he is doing the
best
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he can." He said it was the only honest art criticism he had ever seen.
No matter what the effect was, I'm pretty sure they were trying to
appeal to that section of the audience that likes watching attractive
women in outfits from the Reduced Wardrobe Company.
You don't watch too many other series I take it. By the standards of ST:TOS,
Lexx, Farscape and mid-eighties Doctor Who, Jenna, Cally and company may as
well be wearing Victorian ballgowns.
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As for tightness of garb, wasn't it a person of the male phenotype who
got
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to wear the close-fitting pantalons rouges of tanned hide?
...of course there are other constituencies in the audience as well.
Who shouldn't be ignored.
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Plenty of reasons to go for slash, really.  If anything it's amazing het
gets a look in.
Except that I'd guess that nearly all slashwriters have had the
experience of being women having sex with men (even if they later
gave it up as a bad job), so they have recent or more remote experiences
to work from.
That _does_ make the dominance of slash surprising. Never thought of it like
that.
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No doubt there are Six Degrees of Mary Sue (like Six
Degrees of Kevin Bacon) but the most direct seems to be the combination
of the author's idealized self with her favorite character. The culture of
LOCing fiction seems to be nearly always positive and encouraging,
so the fear of being hooted at for overt Mary-Sueing doesn't seem to
be a valid one.
It's interesting, since Mary Sue is an idealised version of the writer, that
slash art consists of idealised versions of the actors.
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I don't think that's true. As for the background, can't you always
invent
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some? The less you're constrained by background, the more you can make
up...
You have to care in the first place, and I've never been able to think of
anything really interesting for either Jenna or Cally.
Yes, but you're just one writer (although a prolific one)... what about the
others?
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And this from the
only person in world history to write three--THREE--Blake/Servalans.
Impressive.
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I would disagree with Dana that the female characters had relatively
underdeveloped backgrounds.  Blake and Avon might have got more than
most,
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but we probably know at least as much about Cally and Jenna as we do
about
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Vila and Tarrant, and no more about Gan than we do about Soolin.
"R is no worse than S" is not always an endorsement--it depends on how
bad S is.
No, but it puts things in perspective, doesn't it?
Shane
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