Personally I like Greif over Croucher. Two reasons. One I like Griefs voice better. I grabbed a sound file form a web site with grief announcing, 'Oh thats very amusing Blake, for a dead man.' The inflection in the voice is fantastic. His voice beats Crouchers hands down, Croucher always lacked that sense of authority and ruthlessness. Two: i think I got used to Greif, even though he only appeared in a few episodes. He was Travis. this is not intending to denigrade Croucher as an actor, however, i wonder if the roles had been reversed, would we have preferred Greif or Croucher? Pure conjecture.
Now somebody mentioned the possibility of men of ordinary rank or background making the rank of Travis' - an officer. Did travis in other words? It's possible. However, if we look at army culture now and how it works, certainly in the UK and here in NZ, which is based on the same model, the average squaddie or grunt, is never going to make officer. Having some experience of and known many friends who were/are invlolved in the army as grunts or officers, the general concensus is; they(squaddies) neither have the inclination and ruthlessly, often don't have the brains. Now this may sound extremely harsh, but a nz soldier earns about NZ $27 000, which is a pitance. I would want a lot more money if I was to be paid to be shot at.(the foods good though) privates, are shouted at, drilled and smacked about. this is done by lance corporals and corporals, who are only half a step up, or a step up from the privates. due to the general lack of intelligence amongst them and the fact they have "power" over other people, they rip into people. the saying goes, shit rolls down hill. in non - comissioned ranks this is certainly true. those with rank over inferiors are often overgrown bully boys who enjoy squashing people, just becuase it makes them feel good. Sometimes it serves a pupose and there are exceptions and exceptional people, however the officer ranks are a world apart from the non-commissioned ones. It is extremely difficult to move between the two. Indeed there is hatred from ordinary soldiers for officers. Officers are far better educated and!
better treated than the ordinary soldier. There is a clear demarkation between ranks. In the Uk this is particularly noticable, as you listen to the speech of an officer as compared to a soldier of a non-commissioned rank. The speech thing is not so distinct in NZ, we're not separated by old ingrained class structures which seem to still exist in the UK, but you don't find non-commissioned personnel sitting in your military history papers at university.
A rather blunt assessment of army culture, but it's been this way for a very long time, and is very slow to change. If we look at the structure of federation society, we know that people were ranked on intelligence. Villa supposedly hid his intelligence. Blake was an alpha grade and Tarrant attended the Federation Space Academy, which if we remember, was for talanted pilots and officers...that is if tarrant wasn't lying. listen to the voice, compared to villa. Essentially a class system. society may change with the advancement of technology, but human behaviour and motivations are the same. Hence shakespeare still relevant and popular as an observation on human behaviour. Travis himself recognised a clear ranking system. 'I'm a field officer! Not one of your decorative staff men.' Look at Parr in trial...clear difference in who had the rank and power. could you imagine Parr defending himself in a court marshal like travis did? Servalan and her pilots in moloch. She ranked them far above Grosse and his rank and file rabble. If the rest of Federation society was based on intellectual rank, then the armed services would most certainly have been. Nayte.
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----- Original Message ----- From: Nathan Hook nhook@bemail.org
Personally I like Greif over Croucher.
No accounting for taste :).
actor, however, i wonder if the roles had been reversed, would we have
preferred Greif or Croucher?
A question I've often asked myself.
Now somebody mentioned the possibility of men of ordinary rank or
background making the rank of Travis' - an officer. Did travis in other words? It's possible. However, if we look at army culture now and how it works,
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Your assessment of UK army culture is fair, I say as one who has had personal experience thereof. Officers do tend to be drawn from the public schools, where the Other Ranks tend to be working class. But the interesting thing is, you do get cases every so often (usually in wartime) of people starting in the ranks and getting themselves made officers for various reasons (George MacDonald Fraser, author of the Flashman novels, was one, for instance. Or, for a fictional case, read the Sharpe novels). Thing is, when this happens, the new officer traditionally faces the same situation anybody does when the class boundaries are breached, and it's generally not very comfortable for them.
So yes, Travis could have worked his way up from the ranks, esp. if he started out in a wartime situation. But he'd have been a bit of a rare bird-- all the more reason for him to have a chip on his shoulder.
, but you don't find non-commissioned personnel sitting in your military
history papers at university
To be fair, though, you don't find that many officers either-- mainly just the commanders.
Travis himself recognised a clear ranking system. 'I'm a field officer! Not
one of your decorative staff men.'
Actually, this doesn't seem to have so much to do with ranking. Even today, field officers and staff officers have a mutual-dislike thing going, even among equal ranks. Travis also refers to the rest of the tribunal as having all been field officers.
If the rest of Federation society was based on intellectual rank, then the
armed services would most certainly have been.
In the modern examples you've cited, the rank is by birth and not by intellect.
Fiona
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