--- Mistral mistral@centurytel.net wrote:
I'm answering more people than just Mistral here, though.
<snipping reaction to my posts; I've said everything on that subject I want to say>
(1) Beautiful Suffering, while not my thing, is
canonical; it appears
onscreen in several eps, and thus, to my mind, is
legitimate lyst
fodder.
Yeah, but we seem to be getting back into the whole "different interpretations" thing. In, for instnace, RoD, Avon suffers. You can't deny it. But while some people here look at this and see Beautiful Suffering, somebody like, say, Fiona might look at it and just see suffering, no beauty involved (I'm citing Fiona by name because she's said things along this line-- NOT meaning to offend)? So whether it's canonical or not is IMO a point along the same lines as whether or not Deliverance is sexist. And no one wants to get back into that :).
(2) H/C is not necessarily either S/M or slash.
It's also canonical -
strictly speaking, the scene in which Dayna kisses
Avon could be viewed
as H/C.
See what I said before. I'm not denying that in the series people are hurt and sometimes they are comforted-- just that what counts as hurt and comfort can come down to opinion. It could be H/C-- or it could be curiosity on Dayna's part (how many non-primitive men has she seen other than her father lately), or a welcome, or soemthing else :). I'm not sure how much of what people see as H/C today was intended to be seen as such by the writers-- *I* think very little. And I don't think it was ever intended to be the focal point of the episodes.
(3) If I understand correctly, there aren't any
rules against discussing
adult topics on lysator.
I've just checked out Calle's URL-- that's http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/b7list/FAQ.html-- and it says that the Other List was started precisely because discussions about sex on Lysator led to nasty flamewars between the people who like it and the people who don't.
Now, there are several people on the list who I know write slash-- and some of these whose slash involves h/c or Beautiful Suffering. But most of these people don't talk about it on this list (most of them haven't even joined in here!)-- or if they do they only mention it in passing. This is fine, and doesn't offend anyone. But while a lot of people have jumped in to say that h/c *need not* be sexual, most people agree that it *can be* sexual, *is often* a part of slash, and so on. So it shouldn't come as a *total* surprise that some people have taken it as sexual.
Perhaps all this means is that sex, or what some people see as sexual, is starting to reach levels on the main list that are getting offensive to at least a few people?
occasionally one might run into something one would
rather not read.
It's not really just occasionally, though. To refer to the post I just made to Carol, lurking around I've seen a whole lot of threads which start off intelligently degenerating into talk about whether Avon or Tarrant is sexier or descriptions of Steven Greif in black leather. Which as I said is fine for a little bit but sometimes it gets extreme. IMHO.
My suggestion is, ignore it.
And from now on I will.
Wendy
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