--- Sally Manton smanton@hotmail.com wrote:
I think this has gone past a joke. Quite simply, being called worthless crap hurts.
I never used the phrase worthless crap! But if you feel I've gotten too personal, then I formally and publicly apologise. You are not a worthless person in any way and in any regard.
I started this discussion because I thought this was a good place to air some of the things which bother me about some of the things you were talking about. Since then, I've come under a fair bit of highly personal attack myself (so what's new?). I meant to attack the viewpoint in your post (which is held by a LOT of people on the list, and you can hardly call them worthless!), and maybe it came across as attacking you. In which case, let me make it clear that I wanted to bring the S/M discussion out into the open, not to attack Sally. Perhaps this was misguided. But I also didn't want my posts to be ignored.
And I don't think Carol and Shane (or Neil) meant to sound like they were attacking you either. Just saying that they agreed with some of the things I said, not necessarily with the way they were said.
I've been assuming for two years that people took my 'Fearless Leader', 'My Darling', etc, the burbles sending up the sillier aspects of the show and splattering capitals and generally having a bit of fun with the characters and the show as just that - fun, and had the sensitivity to discriminate between that and my serious comments. I thought some people enjoyed the humour in it, that most of you got a laugh out of it sometimes; the idea that I've been imposing, and no one's been impolite enough to tell me that they were nauseated by my style of prose has upset me, since there's not a lot I can do about it. I can't turn into someone else because Wendy loathes the way I think (from the Deliverance thread) and the way I phrase those thoughts (now).
I don't loathe the way you think or phrase your thoughts. I *disagree* with both of these-- but I thought that was my prerogative. And you can take comfort from the fact that more people seem to agree with you on this than me.
And can they drop the subject of my worthlessnss as a poster based on my stomach-churning style of prose, please?
But the discussions which have come up from it *haven't* been about your prose style. They've been about the good and bad points of Tarrant, they've been about S/M in fanfic, they've been about Avon as a lust object. I didn't want to attack you personally, just to discuss these other things. Again, everybody, SALLY IS NOT WORTHLESS. And I'd like to say Thank you, Sally, for posting under fire :).
Wendy
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