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by Minnie 24 Nov '01

24 Nov '01

Hi all Just a small update on my site if you are interested. Feed back is always welcome, just keep it polite :) If you have any requests, feel free to ask, im always up to the challenge!! Cheers. Min.xxx http://www.darksites.com/souls/horror/blakes7/index.html

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Fwd: [B7L] Re: Betrayal and episode 'Blake'
by Sally Manton 24 Nov '01

24 Nov '01

Kai wrote, among other good stuff: <with Vila one always gets the feeling he should sound more colloquial than he does.> This is a problem with Vila in English as well :-) I've read a number of stories where he's written with a heavy and intrusive 'dialect', supposedly to emphasise his lower class, and always find it distracting. <It may also be the dialogue's tendency towards the kind of neutral sci-fi dialect, where temporal tell-tale signs like contemporary slang or pronounced regional accents are downplayed to homogenise the language and also to make it sound more "timeless".> I also think any attempt to invent 'new' slang or word usages tend tto jar horribly (in Stardrive, for instance). _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Fwd: Re: [B7L] Ships
by Sally Manton 23 Nov '01

23 Nov '01

Ellynne wrote: <The evil idea of putting them on The Love Boat probably doesn't even bear mentioning -> Thank you Ellynne, I think that may be the most horrifying cross-over idea I have heard for ages ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: [B7L] Ships
by Ellynne G. 23 Nov '01

23 Nov '01

The evil idea of putting them on The Love Boat probably doesn't even bear mentioning - although it would be one way of resolving all those relationships that never went anywhere. Yes, you know what I'm talking about - Vila books a cruise and Chenie is working at the bar. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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Re: Betrayal and episode 'Blake'
by Kai V Karmanheimo 23 Nov '01

23 Nov '01

Nico wrote: <<What do native speakers of such a language think?>> I have actually faced this question back when I did my novelisation attempts in Finnish. I always had all the crew members (only series 1-2 crews, mind you) using the familiar "sinä" instead the formal plural "te" when talking to each other. Only Zen and Orac were exceptions here (Orac seems to have the knack of sounding matter-of-fact and up-yours-mate at the same time), so in my mind Avon would definitely say "Oletko sinä pettänyt minut?" Actually, since contemporary colloquial Finnish frequently eliminates the pronoun altogether (because of brevity, redundancy and probably a need to evade direct address), he might say "Oletko pettänyt minut?" Then again, that kills the dramatic emphasis. Bear in mind that the use of formal address (we call it "teitittely") is not nearly as common or strict as in German, for example; if you aspire to be a primary school teacher in Finland, don't expect the pupils to address you with "te"; suggesting such a thing will just get you laughed out of the classroom. Its use has become more and more vague and infrequent over the last ten years, a phenomenon which the more conservative language watch dogs usually attribute to the degenerative influence of English. So having one of the crew members use a formal address when speaking to another would suggest the existence of an explicit hierarchical system which I don't see there at all. Outside of Travis and other military personnel addressing Servalan with "te", I also had Blake address Sarkoff and the Stott formally, not as a gesture of subservience but merely as an acknowledgement of an older person's stature in a situation where you don't actually know him but need his trust badly. Never Travis, though: there is no suggestion of either seniority, respect or a need to adhere to any social code that would prompt Blake to use a formal address. Vila might do it in "Hostage". Since I've got the excuse to talk about translating, the thing I always found much harder was finding the right register for the dialogue. Blake's 7's dialogue is certainly tight and snappy yet it can also be very contrived and theatrical, not very vernacular. Looking back on my translations, they tend to be overly stiff and formal (even taking into account my linguistic skills at the time), and with Vila one always gets the feeling he should sound more colloquial than he does. The difference between written and spoken Finnish can be very wide, and while you can trasnscribe the formal features of spoken Finnish into writing pretty well, it's not very clear when you should do that. It may also be the dialogue's tendency towards the kind of neutral sci-fi dialect, where temporal tell-tale signs like contemporary slang or pronounced regional accents are downplayed to homogenise the language and also to make it sound more "timeless". This would suggest a rather formal tone throughout, one that is neither too pretentious nor too obviously vernacular. But then perhaps I'm reading this all wrong. Kai

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RE: Re: [B7L] Crossovers
by Sally Manton 23 Nov '01

23 Nov '01

Leia wrote: <Vila is indeed cute and I imagine he'd be rather more pleasant company than most of the others anyway. He at least seems to know how to have fun.> and Nicola: <Up till season 4 anyway, poor thing. He has the stuffing knocked out of him then. I can only recall 3 or 4 scenes where the poor guy can even crack a smile.> And I can't see it getting much better for him in *any* Season 5. Not with this lot. (Actually, I know I'm one of those minorities of approximately one here, but I'm still firmlt of the opinion that, if Blake survived and had anything - people/a base/a ship - to still call his own, Vila would tell fannish sentiment and the Scorpio crew to go to hell and want to stay with Fearless and now Extremely Fearsome Leader. *None* of them have really any call on his loyalties by that stage, and especially not My Darling. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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RE: Re: [B7L] Crossovers
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 23 Nov '01

23 Nov '01

Leia Fee wrote: > Absolutely ;-) Vila is indeed cute and I imagine he'd be rather more > pleasant company than most of the others anyway. He at least > seems to know how to have fun. Up till season 4 anyway, poor thing. He has the stuffing knocked out of him then. I can only recall 3 or 4 scenes where the poor guy can even crack a smile. Nico *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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Fwd: Re: [B7L] Crossovers
by Sally Manton 23 Nov '01

23 Nov '01

Harriet wrote re Vila: <I think he makes sure he's officially dead, then slips off and marries a nice barmaid (someone like Chenie) who will take care of him (and try not to let him drink *too* much) for the rest of his life.> That's lovely :-) I think Chenie would've made a lovely addition to S3 crew, myself, and there's no doubt Vila would have *adored* her. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Fwd: Re: [B7L] Crossovers
by Sally Manton 23 Nov '01

23 Nov '01

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Re: [B7L] Re: familiar or formal
by Marian de Haan 23 Nov '01

23 Nov '01

I've been trying to remember how it was done in the subtitles here, but it's such a long time ago that my memory fails me. All crew conversation must have been in the familiar, though, as it would have sounded very stilted otherwise. Marian

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