Blakes7 March 2001

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Re: [B7L] Re: Use of image
by Shane Little 24 Mar '01

24 Mar '01

Neil wrote: > I'm with Shane on this one. Costumes for the women were pretty much on a > par with those for the men. Most of them were bloody awful:) Oh, that green sleevy thing. Wasn't it horrible? Almost on a par with that split-skirt and tights look on Cally. Yuk. > Why m:m slash? Probably simply because most fanfic, and virtually all adult > fic, is written by women, who aren't on the whole terribly interested in > other women Not quite sure what you mean by "terribly interested in other women." Do you mean that these women are not interested in sex with other women (and for some reason this turns them off reading about heterosexual sex), or that they don't want to think of their beloved in bed with another woman than them? > > > > Again, why? Why do women, in your opinion, find it difficult to > identify > > > > with Jenna or Cally? > > > > Because the scripts give them so little background and so little to do > > > I don't think that's true. As for the background, can't you always invent > > some? The less you're constrained by background, the more you can make > up... > > Except that fan writers, on the whole, seem to prefer not to do that if they > can avoid it. Why? These are people who write slash fiction, after all, which maps a whole different sexual complex onto the characters. If you'd swallow that :), surely you'd have no problem making up a character's background. > I would disagree with Dana that the female characters had relatively > underdeveloped backgrounds. Blake and Avon might have got more than most, > but we probably know at least as much about Cally and Jenna as we do about > Vila and Tarrant, and no more about Gan than we do about Soolin. Agreed and same for the Federation characters. > OTOH, I'd agree with Dana that the women were generally underwritten and > given less than their fair slice of the action. Yes, but same for Gan really. Shane "I've got this shocking pain behind the eyes..." --Vila Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015

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telemovie
by Roger the Shrubber 23 Mar '01

23 Mar '01

excerpt from article by Paul Darrow in the official telemovie newsletter ******** Of course, attractive and acceptable actors would need to be found to recreate the, 'Seven', because, wouldn't you know, the originals had been killed off in the last of four series in 1980/1981. Except for one ... the character of Avon. Played by, as luck would have it, Paul Darrow. (Score one advantage point!) Further, Paul Darrow ... who once considered Drac Tarquin as a possible stage name - but that's another story - was a close friend of Terry Nation (now sadly departed) and Terry had confided that he would, at some time, like a TV Movie to made of his creation and had indicated a basic storyline. (Two advantage points!) It was decided that a telephone call to Mrs. Kate Nation ... now living in California USA ... should be made to ascertain her willingness for a TV Movie to be made and, of course, to secure her support for same. Needless to say, she was delighted and enthusiastic and, subject to the project remaining faithful to Terry's ideal, would be willing to allow Messrs Sewell, Lighthill and Darrow to proceed. (Three advantage points!) **************** more info at http://www.blakes7.com/ which IMO is the world's coolest URL ever. :-> darren r Ebook - "How To Start Your Own Internet Bookshop" For info, send blank email to bookshop(a)fastfacts.net ------------------------------------------------------------- Opportunity Knocks Bookshop http://www.abebooks.com/home/POWERPLAY/

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B7 Tele-movie "news"
by kevs McCully 23 Mar '01

23 Mar '01

Hi all, I am on the mailing list for the proposed B7 telemovie, and i just recieved their first update. Its mostly hot air, but there you go! Thought you folks may be interested, so posting it here, also i'll post it to the newsgroup. I apologise if i'm OT or in breach of any Lyst nettiquette. *dons flameproof suit and retreats forthwith!* Cheers, kevs ************************************************* - http://www.blakes7.com/ Welcome to the first of our monthly bulletins giving you the very latest news and gossip about the planned BLAKE'S 7 telemovie. Over the coming months we'll be giving you the "exclusive" inside story on the telemovie (including previews of the new logo, concept art, story outline, etc.), and related activities such as; the B7 website, gaming (on & off-line), publishing and so on. Paul Darrow and myself will be contributing a regular column charting the genesis of the project and offering a candid account of the trials and tribulations associated with getting a project of this magnitude off the launch pad. Your feed back at avon(a)blakes7.com is always welcome and indeed encouraged. Remember that whatever rumours you may hear or read in the media the real truth will only be found here! Regards Andrew Mark Sewell, Executive Producer, B7 Enterprises Latest News: Aside from premiering what's hot on the BLAKE'S 7 telemovie, we'll also be turning the spotlight on what's newsworthy in the wider BLAKE'S 7 universe. If you're planning a BLAKE'S 7 convention, want to discover what your favourite cast members are up to or simply want to check out our website recommendations then read on ... B7 Website (www.blakes7.com) Many of you have been asking when the website will be launched. Well the answer is that it's being developed as you read this and will continue to be over the coming months. Our attention is currently focused on the telemovie, but rest assured we have some exciting plans for the website in the pipeline, however it's unlikely that these will come to fruition until the end of this year, the launch of which will coincide with the pre-production phase of the movie. Darrow's Inside Story: In his own inimitable style, Paul Darrow lifts the lid on the genesis of the planned BLAKE'S 7 revival. "In the beginning ... there was Andrew Mark Sewell, Head of Content & Syndication, Internet and Interactive at BBC Worldwide. With a longer title than Servalan or, for that matter, Zsa Zsa Gabor when she was Queen of Outer Space, it was clear that Mr. Sewell was no hologram and that he commanded respect. Dutifully, therefore, when summoned, Brian Lighthill, director of the BBC radio plays based on Terry Nation's "Blake's 7", and Paul Darrow, erstwhile star of said adventure, presented themselves in the lush surrounding of Mr Sewell's Internet lair. There to be questioned by technologically adept scrutineers of modern science-fiction theory and practice. It soon became clear that, "Blake's 7", after almost twenty years of absence from our television screens, lingered in the memories and affections of numerous aficionados worldwide. So much so, that the Internet "hits" (or PI's for you cyber-cadets), outdid those of many current celebrities and equaled those of "Baby Spice"! It didn't take a rocket scientist to conclude that a TV Movie based on the original, "Blake's 7", concept was a viable proposition. Particularly, one might imagine, if it starred Emma Bunton. Andrew Mark Sewell ... three names are fashionable in show business today -witness; Catherine Zeta Jones, Benicio del Toro and Jean Paul Belmondo,to name but nine ... he it was who sparked the likelihood of a revival of one of the most lauded and, it must be admitted, derided, TV shows of all time ... when he uttered the immortal words ... "Hey, can't we make some money here - I mean, can't we satisfy the needs and desires of science-fiction fans deprived of gritty drama, cool dialogue and sensible production values?" The word, 'money', galvanized Mr. Darrow, but Mr.Lighthill, altogether more cerebral, locked onto, 'needs and desires', and, thus it was that a pact was made. "Blake's 7", would rise again. But ... when, where and how? * Firstly, it was established that Messrs Lighthill and Darrow would not have to acquire a third name. * Secondly, it would be necessary to acquire the, 'rights', to re-make and broadcast a version of Terry Nation's original concept. * Thirdly, a suitable storyline would have to be developed into a viable script. * Fourthly, money would need to be raised in order to film the Movie. * Fifthly, a distributor would have to be found (otherwise, nobody would ever see it). Of course, attractive and acceptable actors would need to be found to recreate the, 'Seven', because, wouldn't you know, the originals had been killed off in the last of four series in 1980/1981. Except for one ...the character of Avon. Played by, as luck would have it, Paul Darrow.(Score one advantage point!) Further, Paul Darrow ... who once considered Drac Tarquin as a possible stage name - but that's another story - was a close friend of Terry Nation(now sadly departed) and Terry had confided that he would, at some time, like a TV Movie to made of his creation and had indicated a basic storyline. (Two advantage points!) It was decided that a telephone call to Mrs. Kate Nation ... now living in California USA ... should be made to ascertain her willingness for a TV Movie to be made and, of course, to secure her support for same. Needless to say, she was delighted and enthusiastic and, subject to the project remaining faithful to Terry's ideal, would be willing to allow Messrs Sewell, Lighthill and Darrow to proceed. (Three advantage points! Up to this point ... thrills and spills, and sheer delight. From now on... well, put it this way ... have you ever tried to make a TV Movie? Next time ... find out how the intrepid three (seven - if you count the number of names they have) progress. Will there be a new, "Blake's 7"? Of course there will, but ... when, where and how? TO BE CONTINUED... ===== "Under an Aussie sky..." http://www.southernsky.fsnet.co.uk "afterglow", http://www.afterglow.fsnet.co.uk Kevin C McCully "The world is what you make it". _____________________________________________________________________________ http://calendar.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Calendar - Access your appointments and meetings online.

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Review: Parodies Lost
by Kathryn Andersen 23 Mar '01

23 Mar '01

Parodies Lost a Blake's 7 parody zine by Chris Blenkarn I bought this at Redemption -- does anyone know how to get it by mail-order? When I get this information then I can put this review up on my page... _Parodies Lost_ is a zine full of "stories, poems and much else in the style of different writers and writing genres". I normally don't like parodies, since all they seem to do is horrible charicatures with awful plots that you're supposed to laugh at or be considered not to have a sense of humour. The collection here, however, is not of that kind at all. There are parodies in-the-style-of, which means one can simply admire how well the author has captured both the style she is imitating, and casting it into the setting of Blake's 7. I must admit I got more fun out of the ones that imitated authors I was familiar with -- Flanders & Swann (bet nobody's filked them before!), Georgette Heyer, Enid Blyton, Jane Austen, Shakespeare and so on, than those with whom I was not familiar, such as Dorothy Parker, William McGonagall or Roger McGough. Among my favourites are "The Infamous Alpha by Georgette Heyer", "Yippe-I-oh! Blake's 7: The Westerns", "Five Go Off In A Huff by Enid Blyton" and "Mission To Destiny - competition winners". This is a zine to be dipped into, not gulped (unless you're very fond of lots of parodies one after another...) Kathryn Andersen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "I left my world to wander in this endless midnight sky; for space is just a starry night where no suns ever rise." -- Dayna's song (Blake's 7: Sarcophagus [C9]) -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen <kat(a)foobox.net> / \ | <http://www.katspace.com> \_.--.*/ | v | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe

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Re: Unlikely lust objects
by Steve Rogerson 23 Mar '01

23 Mar '01

Iain said: "Me n" Is that n to the power of Og? -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent The 25th Anniversary Blake's 7 Convention The 10th Anniversary Babylon 5 Convention http://www.smof.com/redemption

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reasons
by Alison Page 23 Mar '01

23 Mar '01

Neil said - >>Possible reasons might be: *underwriting of the female characters *intensity of interaction between male leads *failure of writer identification with female leads<< etc. - An additional possible explanation that makes sense to me is that women have strong internalised prescriptions against sexual self-expression. I'm not arguing about whether this is a good thing or not - just pointing out that it exists, for many women. Despite social changes over the past few decades, and despite the fact that women are very different one from another, I feel that many women have conflicted feelings about sex, associated with guilt, fear, shame etc. The details aren't important to this discussion. However slash allows women to jump out of this frame, take a holiday if you like from these mental restrictions. I also think this is why the male protagonists in slash often behave like women. In particular behave like 'bad' women. In ways that would be deemed bad if women did them. I think a lot of other female fantasies (Mills and Boone dominant heroes for example, who sweep passive chicks off their feet) are to do with making the intrusive voice of conventional social expectation *shut the hell up* for a few minutes. This may well be the case for men too, though conventional social expectations are clearly different for them, so the fantasies will be different too I expect. Alison ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com **********************************************************************

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Re: [B7L] reasons
by Shane Little 23 Mar '01

23 Mar '01

Alison said. > An additional possible explanation that makes sense to me is that women have > strong internalised prescriptions against sexual self-expression. I'm not > arguing about whether this is a good thing or not - just pointing out that > it exists, for many women. Doesn't sound like a good thing to me. >Despite social changes over the past few decades, > and despite the fact that women are very different one from another, I feel > that many women have conflicted feelings about sex, associated with guilt, > fear, shame etc. The details aren't important to this discussion. However > slash allows women to jump out of this frame, take a holiday if you like > from these mental restrictions. But this isn't getting rid of the feelings of shame though, it's just displacing them. > I also think this is why the male protagonists in slash often behave like > women. In particular behave like 'bad' women. In ways that would be deemed > bad if women did them. But is it still deemed 'bad' if a gay man does it? Shane "Life expectancy must be very short on your planet" --Avon Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015

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Hmm, don't know about that...
by J MacQueen 23 Mar '01

23 Mar '01

At present, the ABC has a promo for "classic" sci-fi. Have any of my fellow Australians seen this and thought of anything kinder than the above for the mention of The Syndeton Experiment in this ad.? Regards Joanne (I laughed the first time I saw it; some may see this as cruel...) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Unlikely lust objects
by J MacQueen 23 Mar '01

23 Mar '01

>From: Iain Coleman <ijc(a)bas.ac.uk> >"The Power of Og". Sounds like a Doctor Who story. Or a B7 filk, if you can bear to listen to Celine Dion/Jennifer Rush for long enough to compose it. Regards Joanne (who, when it comes to upper register wailing, would rather listen to Kate Bush, thank you) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Unlikely lust objects
by Cheryl _ 23 Mar '01

23 Mar '01

--- Anna Simpson <anna(a)moglit.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>(snip)...It's also possible to be interested in trying to write more than one kind of fanfic...(snip)<< I totally agree - there is nothing wrong with exploring outside the boundaries of the show - I hope I haven't implied I think otherwise(probably have - I'm terrible at explaining things)however; I do believe that there are lines which should be drawn. I Wrote: >>I'm not saying there is anything wrong with a little >>light entertainment but this is just plain - Ugh. >>I won't mention my silly outline for a Jarvik/Tarrant/Piri/Carnell foursome, then...<<< Perhaps not (chuckle) But at least they're all human. >>Cheryl. >>(My favourite 'Blake's 7' moment)...(snip) >>One of my favourite bits is there too, but it's the: > > "It was my fault," > > "We know." (chuckle) He did that well, as well. ===== Cheryl. (My favourite 'Blake's 7' moment) What a fiasco! We could take over the ship you said, if I did my bit. Well, I did my bit, and what happened? Your 'troops' bumble around looking for someone to surrender to, and when they've succeeded, You, follow suit! (Avon to Blake. "Spacefall") _____________________________________________________________________________ http://calendar.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Calendar - Access your appointments and meetings online.

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