Natasha wrotes:
<Agreed. Blake's not my favourite character, but I find him the most
intriguing and difficult to understand.>
With Blake, the usual hero/villain/anti-hero boundaries don't work. Heroes
aren't supposed to kill as dispassionately, to be as calculating (when he
has to), to have that ice-cold streak - to be willing to take all that blood
on their own hands (nor, on a lighter note, to be that autocratic and
obstinate and bad-tempered :-)). Anti-heroes aren't supposed to …
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caring (and yes he *is* IMHO, you've all heard the arguments :-)). Villains
(and there are times when what I've read in fanfic or the archives pretty
much makes him out to be the villain of the whole piece) aren't supposed to
be on the side of freedom, be willing to sacrifice themselves for others, or
have a weakness for helping metaphorical lame puppies.
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Fiona wrote:
<Oh, guys, this HURTS. This really, bloody hurts.>
No, no, Fiona, please DON'T feel that way - I don't think anyone meant that
that's what you were doing - as I said, I KNOW the serious posters do not
intend to make me feel anything of the sort. And lot of the time I enjoy a
great deal of the same discussion, without the "ummm, that's me we're
talking about" feeling creeping in.
I'm not for one minute *blaming* anyone for the way I sometimes feel, any
more than I …
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I didn't even know was there. It's just that - being the way I am -
sometimes that is what it feels like *to me*. That's what I was trying to
explain, and why I react with a deflecting joke rather than a serious
comment.
Again, let's go back to the nature of the medium, the web. Were we in Neil's
actual rather than virtual pub, and this hc discussion started, and I
started feeling a bit over-analysed, you'd be able to tell far better and
without words - voice, body language, the way I suddenly found a pressing
appointment elsewhere :-) - and metaphorically 'back away' a bit. On a
computer screen, it's very much harder to get signals about what the person
who wrote the words is feeling, especially since we all have different
levels of comfort with different types of discussion, as we all have
different senses of humour.
And no one can get the nuances all the time; no matter how sensitive we are
or try to be, words on a screen are rather bald, catching what's underneath
is hard.
Ob B7 - why then do I find it so great to watch My Darlings fight up hill
and down dale, when I hate it so much myself? No, I don't really need the
answer to that one ...
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Did you order some Blake's 7 figures from us at Redemption? Unfortunately
the pad of paper which we took the orders on has gone missing. I know
what was ordered - if you ordered any (or know either of the two people who did)
please contact us.
Richard
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Firstly - sorry Tavia, I should have said from what B7 fiction I've read,
which I admit is limited.
Secondly, the reason I was wondering was also partly the idea about Blake's
death. It was, what if he had died dramatically in Star One or even in
Blake. It would definately have changed the serious, OK I think for the
worse, pessimism and dystopia were definate pluses in Blakes 7. Much better
stories then happy go lucky series. However then Blake would be dead, but I
dont think people would …
[View More]mind as much as they do that Avon shot him.
I dont believe Neil's idea that Blake was a clone (OK I know it was
facetious, I thought we had to be serious now???!!!)
I do believe Avon was 'stressed' in Season 4 and also at the end of season
3. Don't know if anyone else read this into it, but in Sarcophagus when
Avon says you can take my life, I think he's VERY serious. I think after
Anna's death he is vaguely suicidal/ depressed - this is my opinion only, if
you dont agree - good, if we all agreed life would be dull.
M.
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Betty wrote:
>It kind of saddens me, actually, to think that *why*
>individual fans are into the things they're into has become the kind of
>topic which can't be discussed without generating hurt feelings.
>Because it's something that's really, truly, interesting to me.
Much as I like to avoid 'me too' posts, every now and then I can't resist
and you really deserve one for this, Betty. FWIW, I didn't see anything
wrong with Fiona's questions either, but then I love analysing …
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Hey, that's part of the joy of cons - I think the panels I enjoyed most
were the ones looking at why the various fans write/think what they do.
Louise
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Neil wrote:
>The decision to shoot was, I think,
> both conscious and deliberate, but in his mind he was not shooting the
Blake
> he had known in the past and had hoped to find again, but a stranger who
> had, albeit unwittingly, turned everything upside down amid chaotic and
> stressful circumstances.
... and I think he has just blown his cover. Pretending not to be a
character junkie, indeed!
Ellynne, then Neil:
>> But, I think it's also more than he can take as a
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>I have always seen that as a case of fannish wishful thinking.
I agree with Neil, though I'm not sure that this was quite what Ellynne was
trying to say? However one might try to explain or excuse, it happened, and
Avonfen (me included) just have to put up with the implications for the
character of Our Favourite Love/Lust Object.
I recently saw Hamlet (the version with Gareth Thomas), with Hamlet played
as entirely rational throughout nearly all the action. However much one
sympathises with Hamlet, in that take, it was hard not to blame Hamlet for
the deaths of Polonius (directly) and Ophelia (indirectly).
The only way I personally could absolve Avon would be if he were clinically
insane at that point, and (not much wishing to get into this debate) I tend
to the view that he is highly stressed, emotionally exhausted, but not
insane.
Tavia
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I'm still totally bushed from Redemption, but I'd like to say a big thank you to
everyone who bought books from my Oxfam stock and also to those who dontated
books.
We took over 130 pounds for Oxfam and have had several boxes of really nice
books donated which I'm sure will raise further money for victims of the Indian
earthquake and others in desperate need.
Judith
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I did a few calculations for a story on how many people would plausibly fit
in a dome.
Assuming: (1) a dome radius of around 1 km; (2) a slightly 'cut-down'
hemisphere (there must be a word for this but I don't know it); (3)
space-filling vertically to fill; (4) 50% of the space filled by industrial
or communal uses (parks, transport &c); and (5) a space allocation per
family/couple roughly equivalent to a two-up, two-down terrace house on
average (this felt conservative to me: …
[View More]higher classes might have more, but
would form a relatively small proportion of the total population, lower
classes would almost certainly have less). I reckoned you could accommodate
several million people in a single dome. This rather surprised me. (Maybe I
did my sums wrong.)
I agree with those who have postulated living like this would tend to
induce a cryptic style of speech. The idea felt to me like my London
commuting years....
Tavia
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hmm, sorry if you get this twice; I hit send, then
noticed an error.......
>
>> Hi, I'm de-lurking to make a sales pitch for our
magnificent t-shirts (modelled by numerous folks last
weekend at Ashford). As we sold all our stock at the
convention and have had requests for more, I'll have
some printed if I get enough orders.
So if you missed out, but crave one of the (IMO) best
convention t-shirts around, send me your name,
address, t-shirt size(s) and a cheque for £11 per
t-shirt
…
[View More]payable to Redemption (sorry, restricted to UK only).
Orders must be received by Thursday 8th March 2001.
As Lesley is up in snowy Scotland on her honeymoon,
send your orders to:
Anne Wells, 34 Bollington Road, Easterside,
Middlesbrough, TS4 3NF
Anne
ps... if I don't get enough orders to make a print-run
viable, your cheque will be returned to you. >>
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Hi, I'm de-lurking to make a sales pitch for our
magnificent t-shirts (modeled by numerous folks last
weekend at Ashford). As we sold all our stock at the
convention and have had requests for more, I'll have
some printed if I get enough orders.
So if you missed out, but crave one of the (IMO) best
convention t-shirts around, send me your name,
address, t-shirt size(s) and a cheque for £11 payable
to Redemption (sorry, restricted to UK only). Orders
must be received by Thursday 8th March 2001. …
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As Lesley is up in snowy Scotland on her honeymoon,
send your orders to:
Anne Wells, 34 Bollington Road, Easterside,
Middlesbrough, TS4 3NF
ps... if I don't get enough orders to make a print-run
viable, your cheque will be returned to you.
Anne
(a.k.a. Londo's Dancing "Girl")
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