Blakes7 February 2001

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RE: FC: Re: Choirs
by Louise Rutter 23 Feb '01

23 Feb '01

>It looks like something has crashed. Some posts I sent very early this >morning haven't bounced back. And when I went to check to see if they were >in the archives lysator couldn't find that file. Nor could it find my >personal account file. I was able to access the main lysator web page. Hmmm, my posts have started disappearing now aswell. Oh well, at least I won't come back from the con to find 500+ mail messages if the Lyst's broken..... Louise

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Re: [B7L] What's Silly ? (was Excalibur, Blake's 7 (but no Zulus))
by Mistral 23 Feb '01

23 Feb '01

Una McCormack wrote: > I'm sure I've blathered on about this before. 'Redemption' serves for me the > purpose that I think 'Animals' serves for many others: Ah. I can follow this, if not identify. Thanks for the enlightenment. Mistral -- "Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!" --Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D.

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Re: [B7L] liking 'character'
by Ashton7＠aol.com 23 Feb '01

23 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/16/01 8:05:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, Mac4781(a)aol.com writes: << As an aside to this thread, I'd like to thank the many fanfic writers who have given me so much pleasure over the years. Your stories gripped my emotions. I reread favorite fanfic far more often than I reread great works of literature. >> So, here's someone, apparently, who does feel that fan writers (at least some of them) write better than folks like Henry James. ;-) Actually, I like pro writers and I like many fan writers. Some fan writers are better than some pro writers and vice versa. Annie

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Re: [B7L] Threadliness (was Wendy-speak/hijacking)
by Stephen Date 23 Feb '01

23 Feb '01

--- Neil Faulkner <N.Faulkner(a)tesco.net> wrote: > > If anything, it's the funsters (who I do not > consider nitwits, whatever > Penny might say) who are the egotistical ones, > because they seem to assume > the right to jump in on any conversation and make it > their own with scant > regard for those who are trying to enjoy themselves > in their own fashion. > I've followed this with some surprise. My own policy is to read everything and then decide what I want to post replies to, so the somewhat chaotic and exuberant nature of debate on this list is, for me at least, a given rather than a nuisance. Clearly for Fiona and Neil at least, things look slightly different. Could I suggest that if a serious discussion is taking place and someone wants to follow up a Marxist exegesis of "Stardrive" with an observation about Vila's lovely smile they at least append frivolous (or carnal) to their title so people can have some prior warning. Could I also suggest, and I am as guilty of this as anyone else on the list, that when a discussion has changed that the title changes - so Threads entitled "The Federation, really nasty or what ?" do not in fact pertain to the naffest outfit in the show. And that we have a policy of not singling out individuals in titles to personify aspects we are displeased with. (In fairness to Sally and Wendy and anyone else in the future). And finally that when someone thinks of a really good Bon Mot and is so overcome with this that they forget all of the above they don't get jumped on unless they're really egrerious (sp ?) offenders. Frankly the serious and frivolous aspects of this list are both too wonderful to lose. Now take me to Cuba or the penguin gets it ! Stephen. ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

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Re: [B7L] Re: Brit-char-speak
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/21/01 3:22:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, N.Faulkner(a)tesco.net writes: << Oh, so we're quaint foreigners, are we, spiralling around the All American center? >> [[slapping naughty boy's fingers on the keyboard]] Bad Neil, bad, bad! No putting words in my mouth. I distinctly said what I did in a complimentary fashion, and stated that they were appealing because they were different. I never said the viewers in question were the center of the universe. However, I've noticed that fans/viewers in the UK, exactly like fans/viewers in the US, have a natural tendency to imagine that the entertainment they are used to is the Center of the Universe. They are deliberately conditioned to see things this way by the broadcasters and producers in their respective countries. Leah

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Re: [B7L] Re: Wendy
by littles＠lycos.co.uk 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

Helen wrote: > > I was > > more blunt than this on the Deliverance thread, and > > people didn't accuse me > > of attacking Mistral personally! > > > No because when you said you "didn't understand how intelligent women > could like Deliverance", it came across as insulting every female who > had already stated why they liked it... either you didn't understand > their posts, and as you are rather articulate, it seems unlikely; or you > meant you considered no female who disagreed with you to be intelligent. Hey, I've just done what Carol suggested we should, and gone back through Wendy's posts on Deliverance in the archive. Here's what she actually says (2001-02-02 21:39:58 ): "What I meant to say was, it is ridiculous not to say that Deliverance doesn't, for whatever reason, contain sexist elements and themes. And that it strikes me as disturbing that a story which does contain such themes continually makes the top-ten lists of intelligent, aware, female fans." This is after at least *five days* of arguing her corner (and a pretty gruelling five days at that), and arguing it totally alone, and to be honest, reading them back in the cold light of day, they were very articulate (if somewhat aggressive) arguments. Now a lot of people have since said that they do see sexist themes in Deliverance. Wouldn't you say Wendy's got a good point that it's disturbing that not many otherwise-intelligent people admitted to seeing it then? > (BTW, why only 'intelligent females'? Do you consider tolerence of > sexism to be a sign of stupidity in females but normal in males?) To which I refer you to the paragraph I quoted. Which doesn't say that only females are intelligent, it says it's surprising that *female* fans would like something so sexist. I would also refer you to Carol's post on "twisting [Wendy's] words" and add that, if you can't fight fair, you shouldn't fight at all. Shane "Is it that Blake has a talent as a natural leader, or that you have a talent for being led?" --Avon

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Re: [B7L] Re: Brit-char-speak
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/21/01 1:08:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, julia.lysator(a)jajones.demon.co.uk writes: << I mean that quite seriously. Much as I love ST (when it's not Voyager), it does look to me remarkably like the good ol' US of A projected into the future. Possibly because it was quite deliberately written as that, so far as much of TOS is concerned. I can't really comment on B5, but what little I've seen struck me as much less overtly American in tone than does ST. And yes, B7 has a blatantly British feel. (This may be a good time to remind the list that my national identity is somewhat ambiguous...) >> I never found anything particularly 'British' about B7 beyond the accents of the actors. At least STAR TREK had the "Omega Glory" episode, complete with the Declaration of Independence and the American flag. If anyone can point to something distinctly British within the entire run of the B7 series, it'll be news to me; I've never noticed. Leah

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Re: [B7L] Sally-speak
by Ashton7＠aol.com 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/20/01 5:48:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, littles(a)lycos.co.uk writes: << > critic who accused Shakespeare for making > Hamlet suffer so much. For > centuries the audience has experienced > aesthetic pleasure in his suffering, > and some would probably call it beautiful.) Didn't think that when John Savident played Hamlet. Or Basil Brush... anyway, big difference between fan slash and Eng. Lit. in *my* opinion... >> Yes, Shane, perhaps that's so... but the quote you were answering was talking about hurt/comfort in literature and fan fiction NOT slash, I believe. Annie

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Re: [B7L] Sally-speak
by Tavia Chalcraft 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

Shane wrote: >...big difference between fan slash and Eng. Lit. in *my* opinion... Not necessarily.... There's a lot of excellent writers who write adult material. Tavia http://www.viragene.com/

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Domes
by Caveatemptor1＠aol.com 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

Dana: >1. How big is a dome--would it be the equivalent of, e.g., >a city block, The City of London, London, or England? In the beginning of "The Way Back" when Blake is walking through the corridors on his way to meet with the woman, there are signs on the walls saying L-37, L-34, etc. that seem to indicate there are several levels to the dome. When Blake and the woman (can't think of her name) head down one of the corridors it appears to have a downward slant...indicating they are walking to a lower level. I always wondered if this was to imply that the domes are multi-level. They could house large populations but instead of being big and spread out, they are level on level. I seem to have adopted this theory as my personal canon. My one complaint with RoD is that it didn't take place within a dome. I would like to have seen more of dome life. Courtney

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