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Money or nothing? Trade-offs in FOSS compensation
by Martin Bähr 04 Mar '07

04 Mar '07

hi, i just found this interesting article on paying people for development. some points there may be worth considering: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/02/23/203207 greetings, martin.

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Re: Debugger
by H. William Welliver III 02 Mar '07

02 Mar '07

There is a shell of a pike debugger called unbug, but it's of limited use in these situations, as breaking and stepping is clumsy or non-existent. That said, I've fiddled with it, and it works to a certain extent for certain tasks. There is a bounty ($$$) out for implementation of step and break opcodes. If there's anyone out there with this kind of skill, do contact me. Bill On Fri, 2 Mar 2007, Saqib Saleem wrote: > Ok! And is there any way where I can tell pike to execute the .pike file > line by line so I can see whats happening. Currenlty my program is stuck in > 10 recursive loops. And trace is really throwing each and everything and so > does the werror is gonna do. > > Regards > Saqib > > > On 2/3/07 15:05, "Mirar @ Pike importmöte för mailinglistan" > <6341(a)lyskom.lysator.liu.se> wrote: > >> As I said, the werror method is usually very sufficient and you can >> print whatever you want. The "%O" format descriptor can print any >> value, so it will not crash on that. >> > > -- > Saqib Saleem > > Metro International > 3rd Floor, Interpark House > 7 Down Street > London > W1J 7AJ > United Kingdom > > Email: saqib.saleem(a)metro.lu > Telephone: +44 20 7016 1354 > Mobile: +44 78 4167 2857 > Fax: +44 20 7016 1400 > > > !DSPAM:45e83e5b117541922123026! >

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replacing autoconf?
by Martin Bähr 23 Feb '07

23 Feb '07

hi, i think from time to time there is a suggestion to get rid of these autotools. here is a compelling article that makes me want to look at cmake: http://dot.kde.org/1172083974/ greetings, martin.

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new debian pike maintainer?
by Martin Bähr 21 Feb '07

21 Feb '07

hello, marek has resigned from being a debian maintainer. which means that among other things the pike packages need a new maintainer. i remember mentioning that someone among the developers became a debian maintainer some time ago and would be interested in maintaining pike packages. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=411684 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=411685 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=411677 greetings, martin. -- cooperative communication with sTeam - caudium, pike, roxen and unix offering: programming, training and administration - anywhere in the world -- pike programmer pike fishing in new zealand open-steam.org|webhaven.co.nz unix system- bahai.or.at iaeste.(tuwien.ac|or).at administrator (caudium|gotpike).org is.schon.org Martin Bähr http://www.iaeste.or.at/~mbaehr/

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7.6.102 beta
by Peter Bortas ＠ Pike developers forum 18 Feb '07

18 Feb '07

http://pike.ida.liu.se/pub/pike/beta/7.6.102/Pike-v7.6.102.tar.gz There are two changes since 7.6.100: * A builfix for Darwin PPC * A fix for a broken treeopt rule.

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Re: Pike and JSON
by Johan Sundstr�m (Achtung Liebe!) ＠ Pike (-) developers forum 06 Feb '07

06 Feb '07

>> From comments in Bill's code it seems to be based on some C# >> implementation by Are Bjolseth, in turn based on something else, >> but I didn't manage to look at it for very long periods of time; >> its inlined refdocs makes one want to gnaw off a leg. :-) > > This is the first time I have ever read a programmer complaining > about too many comments! They are actually not too many, just unreadably full of xml, for a source code environment not especially equipped to cope with whatever format they happen to be written in.

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Pike and JSON
by Johan Sundstr�m (Achtung Liebe!) ＠ Pike (-) developers forum 06 Feb '07

06 Feb '07

As I have been working much with JSON (http://json.org/ or RFC 4627, http://rfc.roxen.com/4627 for those who have missed it), I recently hacked up some tools and very sloppy Pike support for it. (The first 95% of the decoder bits were kindly contributed by Martin Nilsson.) Neither encoder nor decoder is quite up to pike standards, API-wise nor code quality wise, so we are reluctant to commit them into pike core as is, but if someone wants to shape them up a bit and get them all the way, feel free. The code (and three quick examples, one that indents a JSON file for readability, a JSON-to-pike-literal translator and a minifier, the latter of which is particularly un-recommended to use for anything but data in the printable ASCII range) is here: http://svn.devjavu.com/ecmanaut/trunk/tools/json/ http://ecmanaut.devjavu.com/projects/ecmanaut/changeset/5 The latter URL is a Trac view of the initial commit, for the curious. Both encoder and decoder only really handle Pike native types. Neither verifies the correctness of their input/output. The encoder will happily output illegal JSON if you feed it structures illegal according to the JSON specification (your mapping indices must be strings to produce valid JSON). It presently wastes some resources to sort keys of mappings, not letting you turn that off. It can not produce the three values null, true and false. It also does not quote strings properly, so control characters and Unicode escapes may not come out as legal JSON. And the APIs are lightly wrapped semi-smelly beasts. But I think those are my only gripes. :-) Usage is at least straight-forward (more detailed docs in the code): string encode_json( mixed data ); mixed decode_json( string|Stdio.File input );

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7.6.102 beta
by Marcus Comstedt (ACROSS) (Hail Ilpalazzo!) ＠ Pike (-) developers forum 02 Feb '07

02 Feb '07

This is what I have on Solaris/SPARC: omoikane:~/Pike/7.7/build/sunos-5.10-sun4u/post_modules/GL% objdump -R module.so | grep add_auto_f 000000000011f480 R_SPARC_JMP_SLOT GL_add_auto_funcs omoikane:~/Pike/7.7/build/sunos-5.10-sun4u/post_modules/GL% I assume the same situation holds on W*ndows/x86.

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7.6.100 beta
by Peter Bortas ＠ Pike developers forum 30 Jan '07

30 Jan '07

http://pike.ida.liu.se/pub/pike/beta/7.6.100/Pike-v7.6.100.tar.gz I reverted all the rsif changes on 7.6. The interesting change since 7.6.98 is the fix for the SSL trouble Erik supplied a test case for recently. Protest now if you don't think this should be the next stable for some reason.

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7.7 optimization
by Martin Nilsson (Opera Mini - AFK!) ＠ Pike (-) developers forum 29 Jan '07

29 Jan '07

Comparing pike -x benchmark for 7.6 and 7.7 shows a performance decrease in most areas. I read this as - possibly a performance issue somewhere central, affecting most tests - a performance issue in append array, since it's almost twice as slow. - a performance issue with sort integers, as it's 1.3 times as slow. Ackermann.................. 1.089 Append array............... 1.985 Append mapping............. 1.002 Append multiset............ 0.967 Array & String Juggling.... 0.992 Clone null-object.......... 1.013 Clone object............... 1.046 Compile & Exec............. 1.062 Compile.................... 1.138 GC......................... 1.050 Insert in mapping.......... 0.993 Insert in multiset......... 0.995 Loops Nested (global)...... 0.658 Loops Nested (local)....... 0.635 Loops Recursed............. 1.000 Matrix multiplication...... 0.874 Read binary INT128......... 0.997 Read binary INT16.......... 1.042 Read binary INT32.......... 1.004 Sort equal integers........ 1.356 Sort ordered integers...... 1.253 Sort unordered integers.... 1.362 Sort unordered objects..... 1.032

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