Then I understand. It fits your concept of pragmatism, while not mine nor Peter's, and it ticks off Martin Bähr's ideas of freedom. :-)

All that said, and without myself having dived into technicalities in a FishEye installation, I'm sure people would use the system if you brought it online somewhere and it wasn't required to run off the not-quite-state-of-the-art pike site. (Subversion has good APIs that make most things nonnecessary to run on the repository machine, so I'm assuming it at least possible. Though if it were, we would probably not have this thread in the first place.)

Well, it does support that, but right now there isn't a SVN repository available for me to scan. I can only offer up my repository as an example, running a 1.0 release of the software.

http://buoy.riverweb.com:8080/viewrep/cvs

The reasoning to use any tool short of perfection is that it scratches some itch better than not using a tool at all, and those imperfections are addressable with sa[nf]e licenses.

And my suggestion is that there is rarely any tool that reaches perfection, open source or otherwise. For ancillary pieces of software, I'm willing to use the 90% of the functionality with 10% of the effort. That's why I'm still using cvs and not svn: getting a svn server up and running on my solaris box has always been a huge pain.

Trac would have been great and already set up here, had it been comfy in a solaris locale or had we had operations linux based. FishEye may be neat if somebody sets it up somewhere and it just solves issues as well. We're no worse meritocracy than any other hacking camp, so "not invented here" never matters to "not maintained here" software. What qualifies as comfy rarely changes with arguments, though, so trying to convince any voice in the thread to embrace FishEye is probably moot.

I wasn't trying to convince anyone to embrace anything. I was just trying to suggest it was worth looking at. I'd suggest that in the amount of time we've all wasted arguing about it, we could have done that and moved on. So, until such time as there's a svn repository of pike and I can set up my own Fisheye view into the repository (because it would be useful to me), I'll just leave it at that.

Bill

On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 11:15:01AM +0000, Johan Sundstr�m (Achtung Liebe!) @ Pike (-) developers forum wrote:

Then I understand. It fits your concept of pragmatism, while not mine nor Peter's, and it ticks off Martin Bähr's ideas of freedom. :-)

nice summary :-)

greetings, martin.