This is something that usually called "Not invented here" syndrome. Sad, but this is true.
There has been some truth in that historically, but has it continued after the move to IDA? There hasn't been that many suggestions from outside the old "core gang" since then. Some have been opposed since they aren't viable (notably your wish to introduce unsigned native integers). Most have been discussed and considered ok by consensus and it's just a matter of someone actually getting started on it (e.g. fixing embedding and a good ABI, adding the PCRE glue, finishing up the security system, adding glue for some XML/SAX/DOM/XSLT library). Some of those were perhaps held off for a while to allow a 7.4 release first. Some have been both discussed and implemented (e.g. SDL and Audio).
However this last IPv6 patch issue can probably be considered an example of that attitude. Personally I think it was a bit harsh of Nilsson to revert the patch, at least that soon after applying it.
/.../ Especially after last experience (related to SSL stuff - I asked a question and it was completely ignored, despite that it is a serious flaw).
You're not alone in being met by silence; it has happened to me too several times. It's usually an indication that noone consider himself knowledgeable enough to provide a useful comment on the issue. Remember that there are parts that have been developed by people that aren't very active anymore, so it might be that noone knows anything about it. That means that your opinion is currently the most initiated one, and if you have a solution it's clearly the best one available so you should feel free to commit it.
/ Martin Stjernholm, Roxen IS
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2003-04-24 22:24: Subject: Re: Sad.....
On Thu, Apr 24, 2003 at 09:31:39PM +0200, Xavier Beaudouin wrote:
Why we can't promote Pike ?
- sometimes compatibilty is not really compatibility
IMHO, it is not a good idea to support outdated and rare platforms which are in use by two or three individuals on the planet... But of course it is cool to say that Pike supports 50+ platforms (instead of pulling out support for something that is obsoleted or extremely rare).
- it is NOT embeddable.... (so we can't make a mod_pike for apache).
And it will never be, I believe. At least it will not be done by the Pike team. Why? "Nobody needs it" and "It is more simple to embed Apache into Pike", or even - "Why one needs Apache when there is Roxen?" :)
You can say it is sad, but when I send messages to pike devel ml some of them are thrashed, others are ignored or flammed.
I agree. It happens too often. The main problem of Pike team is - what they don't need is not going into Pike. A lot of excuses given, including "lack of documentation" or "lack of portability" (depsite the fact that some parts of core is not well documented, and some parts of core are extremely ineffective).
This is something that usually called "Not invented here" syndrome. Sad, but this is true.
Actually, what you say - are my thoughs, but it was so obvious that I didn't bother to share my opinion with someone. Especially after last experience (related to SSL stuff - I asked a question and it was completely ignored, despite that it is a serious flaw).
What I do here then? I read. I want to be "in touch" - just in case. Perhaps, one day the Pike team will change their attitude...
Regards, /Al
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